To think we're not going to brexit?

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Thoughts?

I am convinced...

I honestly don't know why Boris still seems to be considered a credible candidate for the leadership and the job of Prime Minister.

Not just his lies on the Leave campaign trail, but he looks like a buffoon too. Hell, he wouldn't even know what a hairbrush was if he tripped over one in the street.

I think back to the days when Spitting Image was on TV. They would have made a thing or two of Boris. Satire might be much more his "thing" than serious politics.

Perhaps it is just me, but he and Donald Trump bear a resemblance to each other.

Scotland now want to leave the UK, but how likely is it that the EU will welcome them in? They will need even more EU money than they already get to make up for money that they currently get from Westminster but won't once they achieve independence. Will the EU be happy to make up that shortfall? (ACtually, I can see that the EU might right now, because they're really angry, but by then? Not so much.) Genuine question.

Can anyone explain to me why no one is saying anything about the prospect of a second referendum in Scotland but everyone thinks it would be completely wrong to have another referendum about the EU?

for those who don't want brexit do you honestly see a way forward now to undo what has been done? if so how would we recover?

*Not just his lies on the Leave campaign trail, but he looks like a buffoon too. Hell, he wouldn't even know what a hairbrush was if he tripped over one in the street.

I think back to the days when Spitting Image was on TV. They would have made a thing or two of Boris. Satire might be much more his "thing" than serious politics.

Perhaps it is just me, but he and Donald Trump bear a resemblance to each other.*

He is a useless debater, he can put forward a clear intelligent point of view, sometimes he struggles with a sentence! Whenever he is interviewed and gets asked a semi-challenging question he gets all flustered.

Trump could be his older American brother, who prefers the orange look compared to Boris' pale 'English Rose' look,

for those who don't want brexit do you honestly see a way forward now to undo what has been done? if so how would we recover?

Here is my scenario pipe dream

there is so much petitioning and marching etc. as well as advice from behind the scenes that the government, lead by Theresa May calls a GE.

In the meantime a secret deal is brokered with Merkel whereby she convinces the EU to give us some "concessions" which satisfy the leavers.

The leavers who voted for reduced immigration also realise that this is going to be difficult to achieve and that they were sold a lie.

The UK can then back down without loss of face. The GE, now fought partly along leave or remain battle lines gives the winners a mandate to govern.

Domestically the massive inequality in our society is tackled like it never has been before.

There is also massive and successful campaigning for Proportional Representation.

Captain - yes, bedlam and outright lies.

Have a read of this Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave: Accuracy is for Snake Oil pussies

I'm staggered that anyone can behave like this. And that's after I watched Nige gloating at EU this morning.

Excellent post Captain

Re article 50.

Until it is invoked we are in the EU -and for 2yrs afterwards(?) whilst negotiations take place?

Is there a time limit for invoking it?

Is it likely to happen before DC leaves?

Diddl:

Yes.

No - the EU announced that it is for the UK govt to invoke a50, and then that sets a strict 2yrs before we leave. We can (try to) negotiate a leaving deal during that 2yrs. A vote in parliament needs to take place before a50 can be triggered.

No.

Farage made me embarrassed. He's a thoroughly stupid man.

BigChoc has it spot on! If Johnson were truly happy about the result he would be all over the media, giving interviews, outlining his plan, grinning away in every photo opportunity - instead he plays cricket and gets in and out of cars and looks totally dumbstruck

Thank you, UnderTheGreenwoodTree.

That's what I thought.

I was hoping that there might be a time limit that could just slip by.

The phrase Hoist By Your Own Petard couldn't Be more apt when It comes to Bj and Co.

tiggytape - on balance I think you're probably right. BUT here in France at least the media has caught on to the petitions and theories that noone will ever invoke article 50, and is reporting it. One French friend said to me the other day 'maybe Brexit will never happen"...

John Kerry, US Secretary of State thinks Brexit can be walked back:
“I think there are a number of ways. I don’t, as secretary of state, want to throw them out today. I think that would be a mistake. But there are a number of ways.”

The US is quite capable of forcing Merkel & co to back down BUT only if they think US interests are sufficiently threatened and that the UK is worth all the trouble.

Cameron, having totallycocked up the referendum, actually then did the best thing he could:
delayed invoking Article 50 until at least September.

Either by then, politicians will have finangled a Brexit deal that won't hurt the UK too much - hurt pride & international ridicule don't count - or they'll knock Brexit on the head if they possibly can.
For the latter, they'll need to knock Murdoch on the head too, or bribe him with more than he hopes to achieve by Brexit.

I'm still hopeful. It will mean some MPs potentially sacrificing their careers for the best interests of the country.

Doinitfine
The BBC does not get funding from the EU.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/the-millions-in-eu-funding-the-bbc-tried-to-hide/

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12059280/BBC-has-received-2m-in-EU-funding-in-run-up-to-referendum-fueling-accusations-of-bias.html

BBC have been criticised by every political party for being biased so they must be doing something right. Organisations can & do take money from the EU without pro-European bias. Ask Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan – both EU-funded members of the EU Parliament since 1999.

I did the sums on the "millions" of pounds the BBC recieves from the EU sometime back, even when you add in funds got since 2008 it works out as 0.06% of its funding across that time.

Hardly enough to cement bias.

Its a poorly thought out and rather desperate point to make to be fair, shows the lack of the argument otherwise.

Interesting, I am hearing french and german's calling for border control. In fact spotted this too...
"Effective border security is an essential part of combating transnational crime."
www.interpol.int/INTERPOL-expertise/Border-management
I think everyone coming in to a country needs to be checked out. In this the wonderful age of computers - what is the problem? At the very least finger prints etc can be taken. Civil liberties - pah, we will delete them when the terrorism stops.

Underthegreenwoodtree - Just to let you know that the link you showed up thread about the select committee questioning Dominic Cummings is not actually what happened it's a political sketch written at the time (3 months ago) by a remain MP. The snake oil quote was what Dominic Cummings said about the treasury's 'facts' about what was going to happen post Brexit.