Europe's Leading Statesman Gives 'Em Hell

[claig]

Farage addresses the European Parliament after historic Brexit vote.

He says "most of you have never had a real job in your lives" and they all nod in agreement. Farage says "the little people defied the multinationals" and the multinationals sadly agree.

As Farage speaks to the world, puppets panic, stooges are stunned, elitists take a lie down, globalists are gobsmacked and the people party.

At the end of Farage's speech, the Establishment broadcast their pre-recorded booing tape in order to drown out the roar of defiance of the British people.

After Farage, Marine Le Pen speaks and says that the Brexit vote is the biggest event in Europe since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Glass Hardly - unless the law started at the first post. I am taking the natural conclusion to the discussion

If you start with Mr F and Le Pen and rant about people's revolutions it's much of a leap is it. It's about 1 degree to the right

'was too lazy to vote according to many comments on us no voters'

It is not lazy not to vote if you couldn't make up your mind. That makes perfect sense.

Showmethewaytogohome, I quote nespaper articles which say it is a revolution.

I support Corbyn over the stooges and backed him first time round when he won. I want a people's politics where the elites are accountable to the people just like the 52% of Brexiteers who stuck their fingers up to the Establishment.

Populism is a political position which holds that the virtuous citizens are being mistreated by a small circle of elites, who can be overthrown if the people recognize the danger and work together. The elites are depicted as trampling in illegitimate fashion upon the rights, values, and voice of the legitimate people.[1]

Populism preys on perceptions that others are to blame for any problems. Particularly those elusive elites.
It's particularly funny when elite members become populist, even through they are not from the people.

I agree with most of that. I believe an elite runs us and uses the media to smear people as racist etc, such as Farage, because he opposes them because he wants self-government rather than undemocratic rule by an unaccounatable elite.

But Claig what if you support Corbyn but didn't Brexit? Is it an all or nothing doctrine

You haven't told me how I know who is in and who is out - and do they know? And do I know? And how do I know? And is there a code?

Confused.com (I know I know again - blame my inferior brain cells)

'But Claig what if you support Corbyn but didn't Brexit? Is it an all or nothing doctrine'

I don't understand that. We all know that Corbyn really probably prefers Brexit but didn't have the courage to face off his stooges.

'And how do I know? '

You know you are not part of the elite so you are with the people, even if you have disdain for most of them.

Claig So why DO I think he is a fascist then? Have I been brainwashed?

What the hell has the Daily Mail been doing? I thought they were on your/Mr F side (and I ain't talking Brexit btw). Oh and the other loo papers - Sun and the Express

Yeah... someone tell that Nigel chap that his marketing team must have stolen footage from some chap in 1930/40s Germany.

Good grief everyone get a grip of yourselves - you are holding the EU up like some kind of God and the adulation is cringy (which is exactly where they want of course!)

what they want

'So why DO I think he is a fascist then? Have I been brainwashed? '

There is no knowing what goes on in your mind, I hesitate to think. As to the brainwashed aspect, I doubt anyone would waste time on that. You have evident disdain for many people, so maybe that is here it stems from.

claig
You seem to have a particular view of the "Establishment" as a sort of conspiracy..

If this is true, then I suspect Trump and Farage are fully paid-up members. What better way of deflecting dislike of its nefarious doings than deflecting it into hatred of the "others" - aliens, migrants, refugees etc.

To me the Establishment are all those with great amounts of money, power, and influence. Being part of it is neither a "good" or a "bad" thing - it depends how that money, power etc., is used. Whatever they are, Trump, Farage etc. are clearly part of the Establishment. As of course is Rupert Murdoch.

As for "the people" - as history, including the last few days, shows, there is no such coherent entity. "The people" consists of many groups, some of which hate other groups of "people". Anyone who claims to speak for "the people" is deluded or mad.

As for Article 50, it is actually in the interests of Brexiters, and all the rest of us, if it there is a delay in it being activated. The full economic consequences of Brexit will not start to become apparent until that happens, and it will be best if as many of the negative consequences as possible are alleviated first. That I am pretty sure is why Boris wants the activation delayed. He wants George Osborne to sort it out, because he, Boris, actually hasn't much clue as to what to do. I doubt very much if Boris is going to retract about Brexit. As a populist, he knows he is now more popular with those who voted for Brexit, and even a conman is not going to betray them, as he will need their votes one day in order to become PM.

In this respect Corbyn and Farage are being more "honest". As the rest of the EU is urging us, as we are leaving, it is only fair to them if we begin the process a.s.a.p.

time Nope we are not - we are questioning whether holding up Mr F and Le Pen as great examples of statesmen is correct

And whether the rise in attacks on 'non British' people in this country has happened due to the racist rhetoric spewed by Mr F

Oh and whether 'the establishment' and 'peoples revolutions' are examples of questionable aspects of far right ideology

EU itself has not been discussed.

Please join us

Is claig a real person? None of what she/he says makes any sense at all.

Claig But what are the signs...I have to know...

Good I have my theories. But due to my disdain of 'the people' and my questionable intelligence it's probably best not to know!

It's just endless woolly sloganeering.

'You seem to have a particular view of the "Establishment" as a sort of conspiracy..'

Yes, essentially, I think they are a club that wants undemocratic rule over the people via unaccounatble appointees just like the technocratic government that the EU put in charge of Italy or the Troika that was placed in charge of Greece and superceded their democratically elected socialist government.

I think they want greater control in order to omplememt more policies that are unpopular with the people such as more aisterity or more undemocratic transfer of powers from people elected representatives yo unelected officials who are nameless and faceless and cannot be removed by the popular vote.

'"The people" consists of many groups, some of which hate other groups of "people".'

I think that is because the elite play divide and conquer with the people. I think it is possible to unite the people, just as was done by the Leave Campaign which managed to straddle the divide of left and right and working class and Middle England. The people united to beat the Establishment and that is what shocked them.

'In this respect Corbyn and Farage are being more "honest"

I agree and that is not unusual for both of them, because of their principles.

That is why I voted with the majority 52% of the people to take back control of our country by transferring sovereignty back to the people.

'If this is true, then I suspect Trump and Farage are fully paid-up members.'

You may be right, but I doubt it because if they were full paid-up members, then the Establishment would not be calling them racists and fruitcakes and printing a leaflet saying "avoid a Farage future". I thinki they are populists who oppose the elite which is why Brexit was such a shock to them.

'Is claig a real person?'

No, i am a robot

Showme, sorry just caught up don't like The EU obviously but not a fan of Farage either. As you were!!

More worrying is the insistence on 'them' and 'us'.

I do not think I will fare well in Claigs revolution. I may be sent to the mines with my inferior brain. Ho hum.

'don't like The EU obviously but not a fan of Farage either'

I am a fan of Farage and he was the one that gave us the Referendum and helped win it. We live in a democracy, you don't have to like Farage, but the 12% of voters who do, aren't racist because they do.

It is an Interesting thread though and Claig poses some thought provoking comments.

time thanks