Corbyn still hanging in there

[NightWanderer]

I actually quite admire that. Hanging tough. I think it shows a sharp contrast to Cameron who can't get out of things soon enough.

Could Corbyn actually be the next PM?

Kezia Dugdale seems a lovely lass but she is not perceived as a strong opposition to the SNP.

Ruth Davidson openly asked people to vote for her on the basis of opposition rather than Tory.

Corbyn all soundbites? Hardly. The media spend more of their time commenting on his clothes than on what he says. I despair. As VelvetGreen says, he gives people what they've been asking for - a change, something different, honesty and intelligence - and then they have a go because he isn't the same old media crap.

Try these (again, for one) and then tell me that is just soundbites. His economics is in line with the most up-to-date research from various organisations, the IMF among them. And rather more complex than the 'it's all the ordinary people's fault for not working hard enough' which is all the rich centrists can offer to fix the problems they've created. notesbrokensociety.wordpress.com/2016/05/22/joining-the-dots-labours-state-of-the-economy-conference/
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36351149

Try these (again, for one) and then tell me that is just soundbites.

As a longstanding Labour party member and someone who actually campaigns for them. It's soundbites.

He is tearing the party apart.

It isn't just the 'Blairites' who are quitting it is also people who are as to the left as he is.

Those that were at that rally on Monday had SWP banners and quite vile t shirts.

It's being reported that Angela Eagle will announce a challenge tomorrow.

I think it will be a race to see which can sign up the most new members to vote.

If she doesn't win I'm pretty sure the party will tear itself apart.

Piglet I saw one picture of a thirst having a go at Blairites. It wasn't advocating violence as some are suggesting, and it was publicised by Blairites. They were in the picture.
Aldi, do you know what 'sound bites' means?

Tshirt. I typed tshirt not thirst.

Just saw JC at a rally tonight.

Why is he always speaking at a Momentum rally and never Labour rallies? What party is he in?

Why is he speaking at a rally about himself. Can you imagine Cameron speaking at a rally about Cameron, isn't that just weird?

Why does he never speak about the EU issue, isn't that the biggest matter to affect our country in 50 years?

Why does he never address the crisis in the Labour party that he is supposed to lead. Its almost as if he is pretending it isn't happening.

I watched the entire speech at the momentum rally live. All he did was witter about bloody Thatcher with a brief segue into John Major. Someone from the crowd shouted 'what about Europe' and got booed and shouted down.

Just made me think he is on another planet.

I think it terrible that Hilary Benn couldnt wait to stick the knife in, had clearly plotted along to choose the moment post referendum to try and toppple Corbyn and bid for leadership himself. He gave me the creeps on the Andrew Marr programme on Sunday. No regard for what had just happened to the UK and Europe

What has been said by the Blairites to the MPs to make them use the 'if there is an election' argument doesnt bear thinking about. I wonder if this has to do with the publication of the Chilcot Enquiry next week. Blairites are concerned Corbyn will support any call for the indiction of Blair as a war criminal.

Labour has torn itself apart by being unwilling to accept the mandate of the people and unions to remain left rather than keep the Blair position.

There isnt an imminent general election. There is a need to show the world that the UK is not going to go down the anti immigration Farage route. There is an immediate and dire need to show the Europe and the world that the UK is not a war mongering racist country and keeping Corbyn is the only way to do this.

There is also a need to keep the opposition on te left to counter the right wing Farage and bnp forces who influenced the Boris camaign. Instead of being glad that they have Corbyn, Labout are pulling behind the Blairites. I dont get it and I am disgusted with the MPs and very glad Ed Milliband went, the snake in the grass he turned out to be

The MP's blame Corbyn for the result, but each one of them could and should have campaigned for remain much more vocally. They have contributed to the mess and are contributing to the mess by their lack of support for Corbyn eg at PMQ when he tries to bring up important issues

Cameron, having resigned himsrlf, in s noble attempt to influence the timetable for Europe, has asked the leader of the opposition to go in a rude and public way. That was a terrible moment in a parliamentary democracy because the labour opposition were silent. How has it come to this that the labour party MPs are so blinded they canot see it is only their leader who is providing any kind of sane voice at present from the European viewpoint

If Corbyn had been able to provide a clear voice suggesting an alternative to places like Port Talbot, people wouldn't be calling for his resignation.

As to the immigration issue, this has been brewing for some time. It is inevitable that increasing social inequalities will be blamed on immigration rather than Tory and Blairite policies.

Given credibility by Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage, the far Right has become stronger. Nationalism has been fostered by many forces for a number of years across all social classes, and the perceived anti immigration vote in areas as diverse as the Welsh valleys and the Dorset coast is only a reflection of this.

Blaming Corbyn sidesteps the real issues. Perhaps that is the intent.

I am not keen on Blair myself he is off living his life. I don't understand all the obsession with the man and people who worked for him ten years ago. He came into power nearly twenty years ago. Not everyone lived in the past.

Lives

Blaming Corbyn sidesteps the real issues. Perhaps that is the intent.

But isn't it Corbyn's job to communicate to people that Labour offers an alternative, to people both in Wales and Dorset?

merrymouse true, however it is also the job of his MP's to do that. Labour's communication strategy as a whole has failed and continues to fail.

But it's the job of the leader of a political party to lead his MPs.

I was all for giving Corbyn a chance, but it's pretty clear from various documents that he and his office sabotaged the Remain campaign by refusing to engage with Britain Stronger in Europe, weakening party materials, not appearing at various events, etc etc.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-allies-sabotaged-labour-in-campaign-and-fuelled-brexit_uk_576eb1b5e4b0d2571149bb1f

After that I think he really has to go.

I have a real question here. I have a bunch of friends who voted for Corbyn and obviously feel very upset at the way he has been treated. My facebook feed is stuffed full of memes about who voted against what and one of the recent ones is that Angela Eagle (and others) voted in favour of the Iraq war, whilst Corbyn voted against.

I don't understand why that is a good thing.

If you look back with the benefit of hindsight, the Iraq war was a terrible idea, has destabilised the Middle East, led to the rise of ISIS etc.

However, if you think of the information that was available to party members AT THE TIME OF THE VOTE, they were aware that Saddam Husseain was a brutal dictator oppressing his people, and they had been presented with evidence from their Prime minister that HUssein was bent upon creating weapons of mass destruction. Hussein had alreday tried to annihiliate the Kurds and used sarin gas against his own people, killing some 5000 in a small town in 1988 (ish?) so there was evidence that he had had access to chemical weapons before. Now Tony Blair may or may not have known the evidence was exaggerated or invented (we will find out next week), but I do not believe the party rank and file would have known that it was. I think they would have believed that Hussein posed a credible threat given the evidence as presented. In their position, I actually think it would have been irresponsible NOT to vote for war, with a very heavy heart of course.

So I don't understand why Corbyn is some kind of folk hero for not voting for war. If they had found WMD, he would have been down in history as a Neville Chamberlain type 'peace at any price' guy.

Can anyone explain this to me?

I am disappointed this thread has turned into a JC discussion thread.
There are plenty of those elsewhere.

It was not about HIM it was about Parliamentary standards.
They affect all of us and certainly affect how we are viewed around the world too.

They voted as per the party whip.

Daily you are disappointed that a thread titled 'Corbyn still hanging in there' has turned into a JC discussion thread? YABU.

He is a member of parliament

His standards have fallen as low as many others

He lied throughout the referendum campaign

So we are talking about standards - his!

I saw one picture of a thirst having a go at Blairites. It wasn't advocating violence as some are suggesting, and it was publicised by Blairites. They were in the picture.

Maybe not, but its not exactly the "New kinder politics" that he and many of the Corbynistas try and promote is it.

Thats been proven to be a set up justanother it was totally staged by Progress, the Blairite equivalent of Momentum