Brexiters! Over here please...

[MotherOfBleach]

Us Remainers have questions.

We've been searching high and low for answers but can't find any.

1. What's the plan? There's a plan right? We've just made momumental, life changing decision, of course there's a plan. You just wanted to surprise us with it, right? We're surprised, you can tell us now.

2. Long term gain. All of this turmoil is for long term gain. The £ dropping of a cliff, markets crashing, job losses, racism and xenophobia, they're all worth it for the long term gains we can look forward to. That's what we keep hearing. But what are these long term gains? Because if it's wonky bananas they'd better gold plated, diamond encrusted wonky bananas or we're all gonna be really cross.

Reasons for voting out are not a plan for what happens next.

You voted more with your heart than your head? WTF?

Then you shouldn't have voted unless you informed your self of the ramifications.

I guess the electoral commission were right.

Oh yes the famous wonky bananas...

If thats all you know about it all.....another poster has also been obsessed with them...wonders if Freud would have deduced something

what are the ramifications? we are what three, four days in?

doesnt surprise me all the " thickos got the vote/express readers/dm readers/ chavs........"

i think people who support democracy would have a tendency to have voted out, and those that don't wanted to remain and stop people having the vote...

You voted more with your heart than your head? WTF?

You're being unfair, you can see I considered many things, I was torn which way to go but I did decide with my heart in the end.

Yay increased tourism.

Edinburgh is so quiet in August.

Thank you Asprilla. I did read the other thread a few days ago. It was very useful for understanding why people voted Leave.

However I think the question here is slightly different - correct me if I'm wrong, OP - namely, how would Brexiters like us all to get there from here? I think for example you said in your thread that you had no plan at all, but had expected to sit back and the government to just make it happen.

That's one of the things I just can't get my head around, you see. The whole fucking world is burning around us and the people who made it happen just don't think they need do anything to quench the flames? Because it's not their job?

No-one is being unfair.

We can all state opinions, in my opinion voting with your heart when your head said something else is immature.

Still, we can always hope that with no leadership and the EU on our case, sterlings collapse and the FTSE down the pan things will miraculously get better.

Thank you Asprilla. I had read that OP but didn't clock that it was you.

Can I just give my POV on some of the issues you raised?

They are not democratically elected (by EU Citizens) - we are now facing a non democratically elected PM. This was a foreseen outcome of Brexit. How is this any better?

For commissioners to pass anything member states have to agree. So the people we did elect our MEP, have most of the control.

Most sources agree that the UK, France and Germany have the most control.

So we did, in fact, have a lot of say in what went on in the EU.

I believe they put their own self interests above EU citizens and I believe they are morally and financially corrupt - in what way?

There is very little growth

The same can be said for the USA. Is causing a recession going to help that?

Since the crash in 2008 many, many people in the UK (not just the British) have not seen any improvement in their wages or living standards but now it's crashing again aren't the ones at the bottom going to pay the highest price?

Immigration - we can't control that if we want access to the single market can we?

As I said, this is all new information to me, so forgive me if I have misunderstood anything.

You also still haven't explained what you believe the long term gain will be, only your reasons for voting leave, which I have to say are the most well thought out reasons I have come across so far.

"i think people who support democracy would have a tendency to have voted out, and those that don't wanted to remain and stop people having the vote..."

Yeah course we did. Not.

What we wanted was for people to vote on the issues at stake and actually read up on it. The shocked posts below the Mail and Sun articles on the impact of Brexit tell it all.

As do those with buyers remorse.

However we should never have had the vote, it was way too complex for the ordinary person to decide. The electoral commission research into it said that.

Point in case: "what are the ramifications? we are what three, four days in? "

So far the UK has lost its triple A rating with one agency, and been downgraded to A plus by to from AA. This means higher interest on national debt. All the experts said this would happen.

The pound has fallen to a 31 year low against the dollar, as the experts said it would, most think it will fall and settle 7% below what it is now. They said that too.

The markets have been in turmoil. Did the experts say that? How much has been wiped of the value of the FTSE ? That's people's pensions and savings, did the experts say that. Damn straight.

See all the info was out there, and we're already in day four.

Own a house? well the 40% fall in value of home builders suggests that we are due a housing crash. Predicted? Yup.

It isn't hard.

TheElementsSong

If I had made a detailed plan it wouldn't matter because I can't enforce it, I can't even make the Government use it.

I knew there would be up to 2 years of talks until exit, I knew then we should be negotiating the best trade deals with EU countries and none EU countries. We should also increase current trade deals with the commonwealth and the US and look to new deals with new countries.

We should also look to boosting manufacturing and exports as much and as quickly as possible.

I also knew there would be a period of financial and job losses, as there was in 2008. I knew there would be negative results for the economy.

But I didn't think there would be a recession, people like Digby Jones, Mervyn King and Martin Lewis made it clear there was no way of knowing how long any dip would be but that there was a good chance the UK would come out of it.

Look you are all more intelligent and have a much more analytical way of looking at things. If my reasons make my vote immature or invalid then I can't say anything of importance to you.

I will bow out now, I tried to explain but we are on opposite sides and always will be. I respect your vote and I hope everyone puts aside their feelings for the good of the country.

Thank you Asprilla for being honest and for being willing to admit that bad things are happening right now. I look at the carnage going on and to come, and I cam sincerely promise you that I have never wished so hard that in the end you'll be right and I'll be wrong .

TheElementsSong

Thank you Asprilla for being honest and for being willing to admit that bad things are happening right now. I look at the carnage going on and to come, and I cam sincerely promise you that I have never wished so hard that in the end you'll be right and I'll be wrong

I'd never deny it or play it down. However I was encouraged by some investors and by Mervyn king who were interviwed today and said the markets are still trying to feel their way and be at the right level, they thought this wouldn't be a long term factor.

We should also look to boosting manufacturing and exports as much and as quickly as possible

I agree with this, but I think we could have and should have done this before Brexit, particularly in the north where we are suffering massive job losses due to the steel industry.

However the Gov didn't seem to want to know about us before Brexit, I'm not convinced they'll pay us much attention afterwards.

smallfox thanks for your insights. So, so useful. Do you think there's it's likely any MPs would vote against repealing the European communities act, which is needed before invoking article 50?

As outlined here - www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/stop-brexit-mp-vote-referendum-members-parliament-act-europe

Also, where could I find the electoral commission report?

It's available on Google. Check out from page 20 onwards.

Thanks, I've found it now.