Brexiters! Over here please...

[MotherOfBleach]

Us Remainers have questions.

We've been searching high and low for answers but can't find any.

1. What's the plan? There's a plan right? We've just made momumental, life changing decision, of course there's a plan. You just wanted to surprise us with it, right? We're surprised, you can tell us now.

2. Long term gain. All of this turmoil is for long term gain. The £ dropping of a cliff, markets crashing, job losses, racism and xenophobia, they're all worth it for the long term gains we can look forward to. That's what we keep hearing. But what are these long term gains? Because if it's wonky bananas they'd better gold plated, diamond encrusted wonky bananas or we're all gonna be really cross.

One of the main flaws in the leave plan as far as I can tell is a very inflated sense of our own importance.
I love Britain, I've never wanted to live anywhere else. But we are no better or worse than many, many others countries. I feel the idea that everyone is going to be queuing up to trade with us and be our friends is both arrogant and naive.
And if anyone else mentions the commonwealth again I'll cry. Relying on the vestiges of our ex-empire is not much of a plan.

I'm curious where the Brits would not be able to travel? I believe your currency is still around 36% higher than the Euro and the USD? If you spend 1500 pounds you get nearly 2000 USD at this moment. 1800 Euros.

The GBP in March this year was at 1.38 and last year on June 28th 2015 (because the last week is a bit false as the runup to the vote the currency was artificially inflated as they bet on remain) was around 1.32. There were high points in between there sure, but it just shows you how much currency fluctuates day to day and week to week - and we don't even notice it.

Well I'm not British so I can give a view from my perspective as a foreigner. And it's a general consensus of people I know - I work in a highly scientific field which is definitely not full of idiots and we work alongside the Brits and have a site in the UK.

In fact I would argue from a foreigners perspective most Brits have a very underinflated sense of self importance. It is an admirable quality (the culture I come from also values this) - but it can be very detrimental in situations like the one you are currently in.

Negotiators need to go in with hard facts and with a hard face and not be pushed around by a group who wants to do nothing but bluster and bully.

So, so far the benefits are;

Increased tourism
and
Happy farmers (or not when they learn that 73% of our exported agri-good went to the EU and to keep that they'll probably have to agree to EU trade laws)

That's excellent trade off. Totally worth a recession.

Haha, cool, i think say is volunteering, here contatc Boris he needs all the help he can get now.

"One British company has reported a mass increase in profits due to Brexit.

Mothercare is struggling to keep up with demand due to a lot of dummies being spat out on the floor, especially in London, Scotland and Student Union bars."

Hang on a minute, 50-odd posts in and the only person to engage with OP's very valid questions is someone whose expertise is that they have heard some people talking about the UK in an office ?

Where are the Brexiters? Even a "I don't have to answer your questions because I once wrote some stuff four weeks ago and you're hostile and negative and Look! A squirrel!" would be a great start.

Any Brexiters arrived with a plan yet?

I think that is a very unfair character assessment The Element - I have lived on 3 continents, including Europe and Asia, and have worked in the EU, the UK, the US and China. It's not just workplace gossip. And that was in reference to how outsiders see the British people generally. Not an answer to her initial question.

Nope, still waiting. I have some old washing line rope, I'm ready to pull - just need someone to tell me where .

I find it quite incredible and deeply terrifying that there is not one clear positive thing for the future that brexiters have to say which would explain why we have to wade through the shit first. And I've been trying very hard to find the positive as I'm so scared and upset.

From what I can see the 'positives' they imagine (for the benefit of which we have to withstand the 'bumpy ride' (aka massive recession) are:

--sovereignty / independence (the uk is already completely independent / sovereign)
--more free open trade
a sense of 'David versus Goliath' triumph (completely misguided as the elites will be even more elitist with this)--
immigrants will go (not true plus xenophobic)--
--we will go back to the 'good old days '

Have I missed anything?
Forgive me if, reading this list, my despair widens and deepens. If there's anything I've forgotten please add!

I'm sure you're lovely, SayWhat, and I didn't say you weren't welcome to post! My observation was more that you seem to be the only poster attempting to answer OP's questions, whilst she hasn't had a response from those who might be expected to Really Want Brexit.

I could weep, there is nothing, no plan, we've lost so much and people seem not to get it.

Boris didn't even turn up to the HoC today.

Nope Stillloving, that just about sums it up sadly.

Perhaps if some of you remain supporters weren't so arrogant, egotistical and had less of a superiority complex and weren't so money grabbingly obsessed, you may find more leave voters who are willing to engage with you.

Yeah that's about all I can find too but we won.

We should be happy dancing all over Facebook like the Brexiters over all the happy, magical things about to come our way

SayWhat, I appreciate your contribution and that you are here trying to cheer us all in our hours or years of need and I am sure that we will get through this eventually but I really wanted to hear why we have to go through this from the very people who voted for it and now expect us to join them in their happy dancing over the monumental shit storm they've unleashed upon us all.

Asprilla that's not true at all. I genuinely want to hear what these long term benefits, that the Brexiters keep hinting at actually are or what they might be, if they are only pie in the sky dreams atm.

Of course I may challenge them with pesky little things such as evidence if what they say can be disporoved or is about as likely to happen as Cameron actually being replaced by a cat but if they really believe in these gains I'm sure they can not only handle that but counter it with their own evidence.

I really, genuinely pray that they do have some stellar long term gain that the rest of us can't see yet. I don't really want to wade through piles of shite for an overall change of not much at all really.

The thing is.... Norway pay a per capita price to trade in the single market. Our £350m £160m weekly contribution is also per capita. Therefore if we want to trade in the single market we will have to pay the exact same fee, but this time we won't be receiving any back.

Plus we will have free movement of people or 'labour'

Plus away trade makes up 13% of our GDP and only 3% collectively of the EU's.

There is nothing good to come of this. We will be forking out just as much, taking in just as many people but with nothing coming back in. If services are stretched now I dread to think of 5 years time

Asprilla apologies for being 'money grabbing obsessed' but I'm trying to run a house and raise a baby on minimum wage. I kind of need stability. I'm glad you must be financially comfortable.

arrogant, egotistical and had less of a superiority complex and weren't so money grabbingly obsessed, you may find more leave voters who are willing to engage with you.

Oh Asprilla, are you a Brexiter? Why aren't you going to tell me what and where to pull? Or are we now not supposed to be pulling together?

Elements, I think we're only supposed to pull together by happy dancing with them and not asking uncomfortable questions, like "what's the fucking plan then?"

Oh fgs Asprilla!
Can you not just accept that a lot of us are a little bit concerned that there doesn't seem to be a PLAN!
I am about as far away as you can get from a sterotypical remain voter. I have a low income job and a handful of o levels.
I do however like to think I try my hardest to make an informed choice, especially where really important matters are concerned.
The lack of any sort of plan in the event of a leave result led me to vote remain. Lo and behold, there is still no plan.
It's worrying.

Asprilla if you weren't so full of rubbish typified by this:

"The plan is to wait for the Eurozone to collapse due to the debts and/or political unrest in Greece, Italy, France, Portugal and Spain.

Then when it is in tatters the UK steps in to form a new, fairer and more prosperous EU."

Yes because the EU collapsing will be great for our economy, and the world economy. We've narrowly escaped a depression 8 years ago, the one caused by this would be longer and harder than the last.

Your post about brexiters being more risk taking in nature? Risks are supposed to be calculated, not just taken to achieve your questionable ideological goals at all cost.

We may get more tourism, but that doesn't help the average family faced with inflation, and with the pound expected to fall further inflation will be hard and painful. Oh and no we can't just buy our own goods instead, cause we buy oil in dollars, anything transported will go up in cost and effect everyone.

But yeah, sit and congratulate yourself on victory, or whatever you think it is you have won. Your intellectual capability is something I'd usually have sympathy with, but really you're only worth of contempt.

*"The plan is to wait for the Eurozone to collapse due to the debts and/or political unrest in Greece, Italy, France, Portugal and Spain.

Then when it is in tatters the UK steps in to form a new, fairer and more prosperous EU.*

You thought that was a serious post?

Many leave voters have given their reasons on MN and elsewhere, if you want to read them then go and find them.

But let's be honest here, even if the most respected economist in the UK came up with a good plan or argument you'd still rubbish it. You don't want to hear actual reasons, you just want someone to belittle.

Since the vote leave voters have been told over and over they are thick, racist, poor and unworthy of a vote. Why the hell would we feel like talking?