To urge you to write to your MP today if you wish to remain

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The margin by which Leave won is too small to base such a huge decision on. This needs to be debated further especially now it's clear many people based their decision on misrepresentations made by Brexit campaigners on immigration and spending on NHS or made a protest vote.

Johnson is continuing with the myths claiming Britain will still be in Europe. Of course we will be geographically but that's all!

The referendum was advisory and not legally binding. If you want to stay in the EU please email your MP today.

I think what bothers Remain voters are the very vocal Leave voters who regret their decision

I think it's very possible that a lot of the "regretful leave voters" actually voted remain.

It's been 3 days ffs. Last time I checked, the world hasn't actually ended. And yes of course this is a process, the start of something, Arum - so why are the Remainers so convinced it's all going to go to shit when it's barely started yet? I don't think anyone denied that the economy would suffer in the short term and that much depended on the trade arrangements we could make, but why are you so sure that that can't happen to our advantage?

I'm not convinced article 50 will ever be actioned. Boris knows full well it's not only career but national suicide. Who else wants that responsibility?

I agree. The longer we don't do it, the less likely it becomes.

Only Farage wants to do it and, thank fuck, he's not an MP and has zero power aside from these mutterings about him 'being at the table' in the negotiations. There's some democracy for you.

It's been three days. The world hasn't ended. And to be perfectly honest, the only bitter bile I've seen has come from the remain voters.

Ive actually seen a post being shared on Facebook saying people over 65+ should be banned from voting because there life expectancy is bleak and they won't have to deal with the outcome! Really? From the same group of people who brand leavers intolerant and racist. I wonder if it would be acceptable if we change over 65 with the disabled or people of colour.

They don't seem concerned with the sacrifices some of them made during the wars, for us. But that's not my business.

This sadly, I feel is what we are in line for more of in the future. Society teaches from a young age that everyone is equal. When in fact there is always winners and always losers. That could change at any moment.

Sadly a democracy is such, the majority have spoken and it should be upheld.

Only Farage wants to do it and, thank fuck, he's not an MP and has zero power aside from these mutterings about him 'being at the table' in the negotiations

But he is an MEP and will be at the EU table for those negotiations, alongside our other MEPs!

And as for the lies from the leave campaign, do you honestly believe the remain campaign was much better? There's an awful lot of backtracking right now don't you think?

Hear hear emerald.

but how would you feel about what the Lib Dems are proposing, to run on a platform to remain in the EU?

I would vote Lib Dem, though I am still angry with them for putting the current Tory government into power.

BeingHuman I said as much on another thread. I am really ashamed of the way the privileged are bashing the 'uneducated', and the vitriol I have towards older voters is shocking. But as I keep saying, if the media could please stop using words like 'disaster' then maybe these Leavers wouldn't feel that they had somehow done something wrong by exercising their right to an opinion.

I have read, not I have! ffs.

I could not agree with arunwith more. IMO leave voters as optimistic as they are, are being incredibly naive and short sighted. This decision is the start of wide reaching changes that with reverberate for the next decade at the very least. It has probably precipitated the start of the eventual dissolution of the EU. It has given far right rhetoric a cloak of legitimacy and strengthened any push to hold referendums in France and Germany on the same basis of immigration. ISIS won't help. Theresa May is already saying we should leave the ECHR!! She will probably become prime minister. I foresee the rise of the right across Europe. We have exchanged the relative peace we enjoy in Europe for long term social and political instability.

I do believe we will pick ourselves up economically, but we have paid a price for this, and become less in order to become more. I think it's potentially crap for the younger generation. Of course I will not sit on my hands and say, 'Oh well that's democracy for you.' and neither should anyone else who feels remotely the same.

but how would you feel about what the Lib Dems are proposing, to run on a platform to remain in the EU?

I would also ask where they were last week, month, year? Where was their loud, brave voice then?

Or are they simply grasping the opportunity?

Then again, that is slightly more proactive than some others, I suppose!

Bumbledumb, I never voted Lib Dems, but I'd do it in a heartbeat if they promised to keep us in the EU. This could just be the stance they needed for a revival.

I would vote Lib Dem, though I am still angry with them for putting the current Tory government into power

Eh? The Lib Dems got their arses handed to them at the last election, they didn't even get themselves into power?

They don't seem concerned with the sacrifices some of them made during the wars, for us.

I think the remain campaigners were more aware of the legacy of WW2, in terms of its contribution to the formation of the EU and its symbolic importance as a uniting force in Europe, than the leave campaigners.

Really, Antique. That certainly isn't what the demographic stats would suggest. After all, it was mainly the pensioners, people who fought in WWII and voted for/lived through the birth of the CM and EU, who voted Leave, wasn't it?

Or are we now going to start questioning those stats? I hope so!

But he is an MEP and will be at the EU table for those negotiations, alongside our other MEPs!

Will he? Will they?

Having had a quick google, there are currently two petitions going to get Farage on the negotiation team.

Regardless, he's not a democratically elected MP. He makes great media fodder, but that's about it. And he's about the only one I can see who wants to push the big red Article 50 button.

Yes, a government that was elected on the promise of a referendum, the fair result of which citizens rightly expect to be upheld.

But what's the result going to look like A4Document? Is Johnson's description of Brexit in today's Telegraph what you voted for? Or was Farage's? Do you like Daniel Hannan's vision of immigration post-Brexit? Or one of the other Leave campaigners'? Brexit hasn't been defined, and nor will it be for months, or even years.

With all the crap going on at the moment it's not hard to imagine a point where we have to seriously question whether it is politically possible to leave the EU at this moment in time. It won't matter what the referendum result was, if the Government can't negotiate a Brexit that will get through Parliament it isn't politically possible.

And if Article 50 isn't invoked before the next General Election I don't see anything undemocratic about a political party running on a Stay platform.

Laptop..this result has not made racism acceptable. It never was and never will be acceptable, what an ignorant thing to say. Majority voted out and that's (unfortunately) that.

If anyone is in doubt whether it's worth contacting your MP - I emailed mine yesterday and just got this reply:

"Please could you provide your full postal address so X can reply to you."

Sorry I meant to say 'more acceptable' and I don't really think I am ignorant?! My family have been on the receiving end of it this weekend!
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that these are the results and there's nothing anyone can do.. I just meant maybe people should think about the people this is having immediate effect on rather than just patronisingly saying let it go or calm down. We don't feel safe. It's very frustrating to hear that this is 'boring' when it's far from it for me and my loved ones. I can only wish it was boring.

I've written just now to my Lib Dem MP. I'm also going to join the Lib Dem party.

Tempting, allyjay, tempting. Shall I?

You think a second referendum is more embarrassing than political and economic disaster? The loss of Scotland and NI? I'm angry and frustrated and embarrassed because political and economic disaster and the break-up of the UK were well known, well documented results of an out vote. But people voted out anyway. We're not a dictatorship. Yet.

Ourblanche would love a deeper examination of the stats too. I have to go back and listen to the podcast, but there was a suggestion that those who were children or born during or after the war, were more likely to vote out, but those who were young adults during the war and experienced it fully were more likely to vote remain presumably because they retained a greater understanding of the consequences of future infighting in Europe. Hence a lot of blame being probably unfairly put at the feet if the baby boomers. I was baking whilst listening (which is probably why the cake sank) so I could have this wrong. But it was on James O'Brien fri 24th. I thought it was interesting.

Antique anyone 18 in 1939 would now be 95. There aren't that many left.

My parents were born '37 and '38, so they were very young, but they're educated and know in detail of the development of Europe. That's partly why they voted remain, but also because they're savvy enough to know the political and economic consequences of leaving.

So, I think it's more likely to be down to education and political views than war experiences.