AIBU to think leave voters who said 'I'm not racist...'

[twofingerstoGideon]

...should now be shouting very loudly against the wave of racist/xenophobic attacks which have happened since last Friday.

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While not all leave voters are racists, the majority of racists voted leave (BNP/EDL members etc). They now seem to think the vote gives them free rein to express their hateful views.

Until now, I haven't seen any 'non-racist' Brexiter say 'not in my name...' Their silence is making me feel very uncomfortable.

[InShockReally]

I'm consistently surprised by the number of leave voters who cannot see (genuinely cannot see!) how this vote was not racist on their behalf, but it has legitimised racism for a number of people.

There's no point saying "I'm not racist!" It doesn't matter that group 1 was voting for economic reasons, or group 2 was voting for protest reasons - group 3 were voting to get foreigners out and they think that 52% of people agree with them.

Meanwhile groups 1 and 2 can't believe that and are waiting to statistical evidence. I've read a few now saying "oh that's just tweets - anyone can write anything online". Weird and scary.

We need some goddamn leadership and some big institutions now stamping down on racism again but it took so long last time and for some people it's like we've been thrown back to the 30s again!

[meditrina]

The barrage of grief wanking Remain threads over the weekend and relentless criticism is everything Leave means that it's highly unlikely that any Leave voters are going to post here.

If you really want answers, you'll probably have to trawl other sites with more balance. If you just want to have yet another go at Leave, as you were.

[TeamEponine]

I made this point on FB and appealed to the vast majority of good people, on both sides, to stand together against this rise in racism and xenophobia.

I was told that the news reports are not true.

I was told that I am being hysterical.

I was told that this isn't an issue.

I have had the Humsn Rights Act quoted at me as I am trying to stop people, the majority, have their legal right to a political opinion and freedom of speech.

I really don't know whether to shut up and hide, or whether to continue to be a political antagonist who appeals for peace.

What has happened over the past three days?

[Helmetbymidnight]

I also voted leave and believe we should have restrictions on the number immagrants allowed year year into the uk from EU and non EU counties

But you know any trade agreement we come to, will involve free movement of peoples, right?
Other than that, great job!

[kinkytoes]

It is EVERYBODY'S responsibility to quash racism, now just as it was a week ago.

[Basicbrown]

But you know any trade agreement we come to, will involve free movement of peoples, right?
Other than that, great job!

What.....? It will be a hurdle with the EU granted but with the rest of the world it is about both parties getting something out of free trade and there are no set rules. Lol ignorance everwhere.

[KondosSecretJunkRoom]

I think the regular racists are buoyed by the success of the leave vote and out in force, I don't think that means we have a wave of racism on our hands - it's not spending like the flu virus it's more like a cold sore that will track back to the nerve system when we are back on our feet.

At least I hope so as I'm a remain voter with an immigrant dh in an area where 60% of voters chose to leave.

[Kimononono]

Ah see, I remember when the terrorist Muslim extremists attacks were happening and folk said the same .."Muslims need to stand up and say they disagree"

And there was a resounding "why? Not every Muslim is a racist and it wasn't to do with them!" from MN.

Funny that isn't it.

Apparently you can only be racist now in this country if you are white and want to leave the EU - . Many many posters have come on to give reasons other than immigration (which is actually a valid point considering schools and housing are being effected) but no, none of that matters as it doesn't fit the some of the remainers agenda of using the racism card to get their own way. It's piss poor.

My news feed has not got one racist remark or post on it. In fact it's the remainers that are making the most noise and slinging insults. BUT saying that there is only a couple most folk are just getting on with shit and trying to build a positive instead of making new threads on MN to continually stir the pot.

By the way op there is a specific topic for these kind of posts ->>>

[Basicbrown]

My news feed has not got one racist remark or post on it.

Neither has mine but I blocked Britain first yonks ago so I dont see those anyway.

[angelos02]

I voted leave. Not racist. Now just waiting for the points system for non British residents to be invoked. If you have a skill we need, you can stay. If not, toodles. Nothing to do with colour of skin. See how simple it is.

[TheNaze73]

When is this constant sneering at 17.4m people going to stop?

I voted remain, I can see the potential fall out. We need to look at why we lost now, not sneer at the majority. We are the minority after all. Cameron, Corbyn, Fallon & Sturgeon, the leaders of 4/5 of the highest polling parties at the 2015 GE, failed to convince people that remaining was the right choice. This is where our contempt should be aimed at.

[OurBlanche]

I'm consistently surprised by the number of leave voters who cannot see (genuinely cannot see!) how this vote was not racist on their behalf, but it has legitimised racism for a number of people

I'm consistently surprised that no matter how many posters who say they voted Leave state, very clearly, that they (genuinely) can see how the same number of racist thugs that have always existed in the UK have taken the vote a license to hate but that, just as it was last Thursday and every other day before, their actions are abhorrent and, often, illegal (and breathe) pp continue to post such trite and untrue crap!

As kinkytoes said, nothing has changed, everyone has the responsibility to show such feckwits that their actions are unacceptable - which way you voted has fuck all to do with that!

[BigChocFrenzy]

These are some of the racist crimes so far:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/racist-incidents-feared-to-be-linked-to-brexit-result-reported-in-england-and-waless_

Nice to hear Leavers don't feel the need to condemn them.
So, Muslims can give a big fuck off from now on, whenever they are supposed to condemn something too. Right.

[OrangeFluff]

Completely agree with blurryface. Do you expect all Muslims to denounce/stand against terrorism? Stop stereotyping 17 million people.

I'm a remainer by the way.

[Savemefromwine]

Actually the phrase to an old dear in a nursing home angers me just as much as a twat chanting racist comments!

Agree with salene posts and really seriously op you really think all leavers are racist? Yawn

[BigChocFrenzy]

"If you have a skill we need, you can stay. If not, toodles."
Well some people aren't waiting for your points system, but are just yelling at anyone who looks foreign to go.

The Brexit leaders are now saying immigration won't change much at all, so maybe noone will have to leave though.

[Savemefromwine]

And this leaver totally condemns violence of any kind and hateful speech directed at anyone including derogatory comments about old dears

[GreenGoth89]

YANBU!

Anyone remember this:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Same principle applies. If you do not speak out against these xenophobic attacks then who knows when you'll be next. It's a very scary prospect but we need to do everything to head off the far right coming into power!

[facebookrecruit]

What the fuck. Think of the 'all Muslims are terrorists' morons. Then look at yourself and the ridiculous statement you made in your OP

[BigChocFrenzy]

I remember the racial abuse I suffered at school 50 years ago.
I wouldn't blink if someone called me an "old dear" now.
Totally different orders of magnitude - one affects the rest of your life; one is just a laugh

[HippiePrincess]

why?
surely everyone who is not racist/ abhors the recent racist activities should denounce abusive behaviour.
Why would "leavers" take any more responsibility for others than "leavers"
I am not sponsible for their actions.
Should all vegetarians apologise on behalf of Hitler?

[MorrisZapp]

What a load of crap. Racism has always been with us, and racist people haven't grown two heads since last Friday.

I don't doubt there are many racist incidents across the UK every day, but I'm unconvinced the number has risen in three days.

At the moment we have tweets.

[InShockReally]

That analogy doesn't work because, for example, Muslims didn't take a vote on whether to undertake a 9/11.

To emphasise - I am NOT saying Brexit is 9/11 all over again, I'm just trying to draw a comparison (probably poorly but bear I can do in rush to work).

Muslims across the world weren't part of some voting process. If they had had a vote where terrorists + groups 1 and 2 had joined together to come up with that plan, where groups 1 and 2 had other non-violent aspirations, you can bet your ass they would be scrambling to denounce it!

[SemiNormal]

You haven't looked very hard then have you! There are several threads on here from both Leave and Remain voters coming together to try and do something. In my area I'm attending a celebration of the towns international community with my international friends!

I would urge those of you who are making sweeping generalisations of a group of millions of people to think carefully before you speak, you are part of the problem whether you like it or not. You are encouraging further division and volitility, you are making Leave voters feel like not bothering with helping to bridge the divide. Those of you who were slanderous to the Leavers before the referendum also helped cause this. Rather than debating the issues at hand you resorted to insults - way to go to get people 'round to your way of thinking, and then you wonder why the Remain campaign didn't work

Perhaps some of you really need to take a good long look at yourselves and wonder what YOU could have done differently and what YOU can do now rather than acting morally superior and sneering.

[HippiePrincess]

Bugger. Obviously meant "why should leavers take any more responsibility than remainers?"