AIBU to think leave voters who said 'I'm not racist...'

[twofingerstoGideon]

...should now be shouting very loudly against the wave of racist/xenophobic attacks which have happened since last Friday.

link

While not all leave voters are racists, the majority of racists voted leave (BNP/EDL members etc). They now seem to think the vote gives them free rein to express their hateful views.

Until now, I haven't seen any 'non-racist' Brexiter say 'not in my name...' Their silence is making me feel very uncomfortable.

[Brexit]

I can't do anything cos I'm from a crappy Northern town.

[SemiNormal]

Also wanted to add. This whole accusation of being racist for wanting immigration to be CONTROLLED (not stopped) is exactly the reason a lot of people voted Leave. For years now people have been silenced by accusations of racism, you have left people without a voice - that is a very dangerous thing to do. No one wants to talk about immigration, no one feels they can have an opinion on immigration, even most politicians skirt around the issue. Why can we not have open and frank discussions about immigration? because of people like you. So don't pretend that you're not part of the wider problem.

[Savemefromwine]

BigChok

Totally disagree old dear is a patronising and insulting phrase to make older women seem irrelevant and comical. If someone called my mother an old dear she would probably flatten them and she's 80!

Language that patronised and belittles any group is vile.

Racist slurs are equally vile and need dealing with by the police and condemned by all of us.

[OurBlanche]

Odd... that racist incident in Tesco, Gloucester, reported as having happened on Friday, or was it Saturday (that depends on which paper you read, apparently!), in the national press... never heard of it here in Gloucester.

It appears to have been reported as fact, nationally, but the local paper, which usually loves such stuff? Nope! Nothing...

And the link above, given as some sort of 'proof' that no Leaver condemns such shit, contains, well, you can work it out - or simply read it!

Can we just agree that we are guaranteed to disagree with about half of the people we are likely to meet/post with? And stop with the divisive rhetoric on both sides ?

[HippiePrincess]

So frustrating!
I have seen and heard plenty of remarks from holier than thou "remainers" admonishing all "leavers" for being racist. Then making remarks like "you thought you were stopping immigration, now it's going to get worse than ever." Really? You can't see the irony in that view?
Just as many racists in both camps Imo.

[HippiePrincess]

Oh and btw. I am not a racist. I have worked for over 20 years supporting and advocating for people Who are socially disadvantaged. As such many of these people have been immigrants or migrants, either here as refugees, or having been trafficked, or here to work to better their family's life.
This is what I will continue to do and I fiercely resent being labelled a racist for my vote to leave the european beaurocratic stranglehold.

[Asprilla11]

Please read this.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2671677-EU-Referendum-Racists-and-Xenophobes?

[Kimononono]

Here here semi

[Helmetbymidnight]

It will be a hurdle with the EU granted

Leave campaigners - Boris and Hannan have said that there will be little change in immigration once we leave the EU. You guys WILL be disappointed.
They also said people didn't vote out because of worries about immigration. (They clearly don't read Mumsnet then, do they?)

but with the rest of the world it is about both parties getting something out of free trade and there are no set rules.

I didn't realise people wanted out of EU so they could control the high rates of immigration from our main trading partners, China and North America. Gosh. Perhaps there's a niche organisation you could join with those worries.

The BNP perhaps?

Lol ignorance everwhere

[WrongTrouser]

Do remainers have any responsibility here? Maligning a huge part of the population as racist xenophobes, which some remainers are continuing to do, will lead some racists to believe their views are acceptable too many, when they are not. This maligning of a huge part of the population needs to stop, the possibility that it (calling all leavers racists) could contribute to the rise of the far right is one reason.

[mrsclooneytoyou]

I voted leave. I always have and alway will have zero tolerance for racists and their bigoted views.

As a white British citizen, I am sick to death of saying I did not base my vote on immigration. People who know me irl know that I am the daughter of migrants who also voted leave by the way .

[Helmetbymidnight]

I don't think they're all racist. I actually feel sorry for the people who voted to leave because, like salene, they don't want too many eu immigrants who are only now being told by brexit leaders to suck it up. No wonder they're feeling angry.

[AverysillyoldHector]

I voted leave. I have been heavily involved in anti racism campaigns. Happy now op? So just another 17410741 people for you to ask now . . .

[Littlemisslovesspiders]

Do remainers have any responsibility here?

They do but they won't accept that that's the case.

[WrongTrouser]

To explain my point a bit more, on another thread about why there has been an increase in racist incidents since the referendum, someone said that although most leave voters are not racist, some racists would have taken the result as demonstration that many agreed with their racist views. I agree this is possible. So if some remainers keep calling all leaver voters racists, they may be making this situation worse. All non-racists need to make clear that racism is unacceptable, not use racism as a stick to beat people we disagree with on the EU.

[Helmetbymidnight]

I don't think remainers do have a responsibility here actually.

I think the responsibility falls to the Brexit campaign leaders who have whipped up this idea that exit from the EU is going to solve your problems with immigration - an idea they are back peddling from rapidly. - When this hits home, we are likely to see MORE racism.

We are seeing a rise in racist incidents now.

I certainly don't think all breixtters are racist. I do wonder about the same old brexiters who rush to threads to tell people that the incidents are made-up though.

As I said before my friend was abused in the street on Friday morning 'We'll get you out next'. People who are denying/minimising this, are dangerously wrong.

[Savemefromwine]

If there weren't any racist incidents since brexit the papers would make them up anyway to stir up trouble. It's like Nov 5th in Bridget Jones.

[EveOnline2016]

I voted leave and I am or never will be a racist.

Do you really think that op. That every leaver is a racist thug.

[BigChocFrenzy]

We'll get over Brexit economic effects - we all survived the 2008 crash; we'll survive this and whatever austerity & unemployment it brings.

However, the minimising of racial abuse going on now will NEVER be forgiven by many of us who are BME.
Racist abuse has suddenly become blatant and we hope it is just temporary gloating & stupidity.
A poster on another thread said her 3-yr old family member was racially abused. In the history of Mumsnet, when would she ever be ignored and minimised. Except now.

Condemn racism, no ifs and buts.
Don't claim racism is the fault of the victims, if we don't say NAB (Not All Brexiters) all the time.

savemefromwine
I am entitled to say that racial abuse traumatised me as a child 50 years ago, but that disrespect for my age would be mildly irritating to me as an older person now.

I will NOT let people minimise the trauma of racial abuse.

[BillSykesDog]

Aside from the incidents in Cambridgeshire and Hammersmith these incidents all seem to have been 'reported' to Twitter and not the police. It reminds me very much of the days post 9/11 when everybody's aunt's cousins hairdresser's brother had given back an Arab mans wallet and he'd been so grateful he'd warned them not to come into London next Tuesday.

They're unconfirmed and could well be scare stories to serve political ends.

[wispaxmas]

Blurry, every 'islamic' terror incident is followed by messaged from Muslims saying it's not what Islam is about.

Anyone sitting idly by without denouncing violence is guilty of allowing it to continue unchecked. We all have a responsibility to try to stop these kinds of racist attacks happening.

[MangoMoon]

My news feed has not got one racist remark or post on it.

Neither has mine!

My friends are predominantly leave, a sizeable minority of remain & I don't have a clue about the rest.

I have seen not one racist comment, link, meme or allusion on my feed.

[angelos02]

so maybe noone will have to leave though

Eh? I assume that in the next few years, everyone that is not a British citizen will have to apply to stay. I didn't vote Leave for there to be an amnesty on who happens to be here being allowed to stay. Unless you are vital to the UK, you ought to be planning on leaving.

[wispaxmas]

Boris has again said this morning that every European citizen living in the UK currently will have their rights protected. Does that not include the right to live and work here, eh?

[Kimononono]

Eh? I assume that in the next few years, everyone that is not a British citizen will have to apply to stay. I didn't vote Leave for there to be an amnesty on who happens to be here being allowed to stay. Unless you are vital to the UK, you ought to be planning on leaving

And maybe you assume wrong - just like every other remainer who thinks the world is going to end.