Why does Scotland want to stay in the EU?

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Just that really. I'm interested to know why a higher percentage voted to stay in than in England.

I actually think the BoE would be keen to keep Scotland on the pound if they joined the EU. The pound has nosedived and will struggle to regain, Scotland joining the EU would strengthen the pound.

Admittedly the Spanish and Belgian positions might soften a bit if it was secessionists from a country which was no longer part of the EU. Especially Spain which is already after Gibralter and might be generally minded to piss the UK off in any way possible.

Currency would have to be the Euro in the long run, not immediately. New member states have to commit to joining the Euro once they meet specified conditions. The Treaties for the new member states don't specify a timescale and some countries (looking at you Sweden) are managing to make it a rather long drawn out process!

I don't think we could stay in the GBP. The EU treaties require member states to co-ordinate their monetary policies and have various terms about the member states central banks being compliant with EU legislation. It's basically part of the terms which lead towards Eurozone entry, but whilst some countries are managing to drag that out endlessly I suspect it would be a damn hard sell without our own central bank. I think we'd need a Scottish floating currency.

Hi all,

After a great many requests, we're moving the bulk of the referendum threads to the new board here.

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Many of you, understandably, want to discuss this subject at length and in detail - this seems a good way to simultaneously keep AIBU and Chat moving for those who don't wish to participate. Of course, the conversations will still appear in Active.

I was for Scottish independence, and no matter what senior Tories claimed, they would have got to keep the pound if they'd voted leave.

But now, there's no particular benefit for them to keep it. And much benefit to switch to the Euro.

Scotland could pick up business leaving England due to Brexit.

It's not as straight forward as switching from GBP to Euro, it doesn't work like that.

I know precisely what it involves - it will be a complete nightmare.

But I'm so pissed off with this country right now, that I want Scotland to give it the finger.

The Euro crisis was very painful for Ireland, but 700 US companies are now located there, and Dublin is one of the places JP Morgan is rumoured to be considering (personally I think it unlikely - they'll go for Paris and Frankfurt), but I do think Bexit chaos, could benefit Ireland enormously.

Fair enough - a lot of people seem to think it's a case of "we'll become independent on day x and switch to the Euro a couple of weeks later." Was pretty common around the time of Indyref, no comprehension of the convergence criteria.

I reckon Dublin will do very nicely out of this

Euro changeover in Ireland was a nightmare & despite assurances that things wouldn't be rounded up, prices went up & stayed up. The cost of living is very high in Ireland - although health care & house prices are very very difference

It wouldn't even just be a changeover for Scotland, we'd need to set up a central bank and currency, get that stable and functioning in line with EU rules, then work on meeting the convergence criteria, then changeover when it came to it. It would probably take decades.

Purpletango you have accused NS of racism, have you evidence to back that up?

Thinking about the switch to the Euro. I know it will not be easy or stright forward if that is the route Scotland did decide to go, however given the current economic turmoil I think we will be dammed if we do and dammed if we don't. It's not like 2014 when staying in the pound was the best option to keep the economy stable. It will take years for the pound to recover.

Neither Belgium nor Spain has taken any position on Scottish membership of the EU in a post Brexit scenario.

Their concerns in 2014 were focussed on limiting any drift to what they saw as "secessionist" tendencies in their own regions.

So unless Belgium or Spain leave the EU, no implications of positions expressed in 2014 can be drawn for the situation in which we now find ourselves.

On the other hand, any suggestion that Sturgeon is teaming up with Gibraltar - as has been reported in the press - can only put Spain's back up.

I fully support any and all efforts to maintain Scotland's position in the EU. Was firmly for the Union back in 2014, but this English vote on the EU has made me question that. Who wants to be associated with that shambles!

IF, and it's a big if, Scotland was to become independence with EU membership then it wouldn't be between the Euro and the GBP, we would (I think) need to create a central bank and our own Scottish currency and then learn to manage that. In theory we would be committing to joining the Euro at some stage however quite a few other member states are showing no haste in doing so and I'm personally not sure how long the Euro will survive.

So on the face of it if we want EU membership there's no choice - we need to create the Poond and then it will be a case of how we manage that towards the EU convergence criteria or whether we whistle innocently whilst missing them repeatedly! But there's pretty much zero chance IME that the EU would accept a member state whose economy is irrevocably tied to the central bank (and therefore the fiscal policies) of a non member state.

why does scotland not see the great things we have to offer outside the eu and if there not going to have a gaurentee of a place in the eu why break away and what about the national debt nicola sturgeon not told them they will have 200 billion debt a leaving present its not so much scotland that wants independance it seems more that adolf sturgeon wants it i am english i voted leave as an empire we ruled the world we could again but the chance cannot be missed by ado sturgeon and alex for freedom salmon the people need the facts not there veiws

the people of scotland need to find facts out for themselves and not just listen to SNP who live in magic fairy land for those that have not we have had more trade deals in the world tariff free no entrance fee since may took over as PM than the EU could off the world has spoken they want to buy british which in return means more manufacturing jobs under the union we have a great reputation as it seems the scots want the eu as they get grants ad funding but if you leave uk and go to them say we want in we cannot pay much in but want the same back as we did get would you buy a 3 legged race horse they will tell you all to do one then were will your scotish pride be a bankrupt country that was once part of an empire do your home work before you vote independence

22 I gave up halfway through that unpunctuated stream of shite consciousness, but have a for that pathetic Sturgeon=Hitler comment.

I know her hairdo isn't great but I think comparing it to Hitler is a bit of a stretch?!

Whilst I'm no fan of Sturgeon or Salmond they bear no resemblance to a genocidal maniac. However as a Scot who voted no and remain I still think your rant is largely drivel and find it hard to take seriously someone who declares Scots need to do their homework and not live in "magic fairy land" whilst citing dreams of the empire as a rationale for their vote for Brexit.

Scaryteacher and others talking about a veto. Penny Mordaunt said there was no veto three times when talking about Turkish accession to Andrew Marr on television. She must know what she is talking about or else those 3 repeated answers would have made her a barefaced brass neck liar. I doubt Teresa May would appoint someone she knew lies. Would she?

Once upon a time, when an MP lied they would have to resign in disgrace. Never mind a subsequent appointment for somebody who would have appeared to some to have lied so publicly.

So, it leads on that nobody can veto Scotland 'cos Penny Mordaunt, who is not a liar, said three times that there is no veto for a new country joining the EU.

I doubt Teresa May would appoint someone she knew lies. Would she?

She appointed Boris Johnson to Foreign Secretary.

if so clever in scotland why are you not looking at the trade deals we have been offered as a result of brexit NS has been told there can be no negotiations till after brxit and as a single country that gets most of its essentials from the rest of the UK has not much to offer after you take into account your share of the national debt there won't be much left to pay the huge entrance fee and after you take the mass amoutsof immigrants in you will be given by brussels were will all the younger generation live britain as a whole has a chance to be taken seriously by the world as a trade hub due to ur central location between east and west it seems not a well thought out plan its NS dream of indepenance not the future of Scotland history tells us together we can take on the world divided we just 2 small countres just the people down here have have confidence in what we can do the world spoken they want full british breakfast not cheese ham and a pastry that brussels offered thats why they have no trade deal and we could have the world to trade with

and i never said scotland live in magic fairy land i said NS did yes we don't see eye to eye on everything we are 2 counties that have been living and working together for years and we are proof it can work as scotland is not at a close point to euro you don't have the problems we do here with freedom of movment by the time they get to scotland they have taken the houses jobs and futures of our children if it was the other way round we would not say your problem deal with it which you will not find out till you breakaway and get mass imergration and your kids living at home with no jobs if you have chance of more investment more jobs from a trade with the world or have to pay unelected MEPS to tell you your laws you may think different a lot of places down here you cannot work at unless you speak polish so the big companies are racist towards the british i don't hate the scots i would hate to see you swamped in imergrants due to one persons dream of independace

wingsoverscotland.com/packing-scotlands-trunk/

Re Scotland's finances, future currency etc. Debt-free, amd a clean slate.

don't know were the remain camp are after US has said it wants trade deal with uk before eu india Australia are ready to sign canada said a deal with brussels too hard china want deal thats 4 out of 12 on the tabel so 3 million lost jobs was a scare story after years together surly you deserve your part of success you deserve it as much as we do and your fisherman deserve control of your waters back i am a fisherman i have seen what the european boats do to our waters i have spent days and weeks looking for lost crab pots as the big trawlers paid for by brussels through grants drag them away whilst our fleet is starved to bankrupcy through quota to give a larger share to there own boats after oil scilands biggest industry will be crippled by the EU

how will you start debt free are we suppose to pick up your share of the bill