Why does Scotland want to stay in the EU?

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Just that really. I'm interested to know why a higher percentage voted to stay in than in England.

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Scotland can not support itself. It is a country short of people, short of industry, it's gas supplies are nothing now on a world stage, it has high poverty levels outside of Edinburgh. 10 years will make no difference to it. It will never be a going concern. It has relied on England and the EU financially for a long time and will continue to rely on someone or sink into complete recession.
We have friends who own a country house and estate up there. You would think they would be worth a fortune. All of the farming on the estate is massively EU subsidised, their tourist things- glamping and log cabins - are EU subsidised , their forest is EU subsidised, the local village has a council estate just revamped with EU social regeneration money- there is no industry locally and high rural unemployment.

If it wasn't for the EU and handouts from the British government our friends say they would go under.

Maybe the Scots tend to read different newspapers - ie not the Sun and Daily Mail, so got more facts and less fiction?

The SNP present the EU as a better source of subsidy than rUK.
It is a possibility that the lies that the SNP bandied about Scotland's wealth during the indyref will be believed by the EU.
In that case Scotland will end up being a net financial contributor to a union for the first time ever.
Be careful what you wish for.

Well said errol.

Short of people, 5 million the same as in London. Fair enough over a larger area, but it's hardly no one.

Short of industry, whisky (not just whisky but huge amounts of other distillers) tweed, call centres (seriously a huge employer here) ships, planes, cars, computers, factories making food, tourism, farms etc etc.

High poverty outside of Edinburgh, have you been anywhere outside of Edinburgh? Just asking as I live nowhere near there and the majority of my area is pretty affluent.

I'm not a nationalist, never have been and never will be, but I would rather live in an independent Scotland within the EU than be a part of the U.K. out with it.

For what it's worth, I've been looking into getting an Irish passport should brexit go ahead and Scotland have to follow.

It's partly about power. Scotland has devolution, England doesn't. This was one of the few opportunities that many people in England have had to exercise any real power and have any impact on their future (more people have voted against the Westminster government of the day than have voted for them in every election sInce 1945).

Plus we have been through IndyRef 14 - you learn not to rely on mainstream media and instead research things for yourself. And we are all well aware that the major English newspapers have 2 different front pages for their Scot/Eng readership. We look at things on 2 levels here, because we have always had to.

And Modern Studies (politics and sociology) is a compulsory school subject between age 11 and 15 (and hugely popular at certificate level beyond that).

Lulu it is said a lot but worth saying again Scotland do not rely on England for handouts. Even Westminster have confirmed we actually pay in more per head of population than we take out. Just throwing that in there.

I think Scotland would have to accept the euro wouldn't it to stay as an independent country? Good luck with that one.

whats the big deal with excepting the euro?

Och aye we're aw scratchin' roon in the mud ootside ae Edinburgh!! Ffs. Lulu seriously have you ever been anywhere outside of Edinburgh? You're having a laugh if you think there aren't affluent areas in other parts of Scotland. That's right up there with saying everyone in London lives in a 5 million pound town house!!

LuluJakey1 summed it up.

Most of the employment ( outside the two major centres) comes from agriculture or from the state. Very little industry. Small scale retail and service industries with little money or growth.
Houses as an example are cheap and take years to sell rather than months south of the border. Eating out is a mission. Tourist cafes or the odd pub if your lucky but proper restaurants are in short supply. It's really noticeable compared to further south where even small towns have a couple of decent pubs, a few restaurants and a number of takeaway options.
They would be sunk without EU money and don't trust Westminster to invest to the same level.

I live a ten minute walk from houses worth over a million pounds and I'm nowhere near Edinburger

revealall - have you actually been to Scotland? What utter shite you are talking. Do you really believe that outside of Glasgow and Edinburgh most of the employment comes from agriculture or state? Houses are cheap and take years to sell? Eating out is a mission? Proper restaurants are in short supply? O my word.... I don't quite know where to start with that!

revealall My goodness I've read some crap on here but your post is a new level of crap

I can't get a house at the moment for love nor money. They're selling for over the asking price as soon as they come on the market .

Eating out were spoiled for choice around here for top quality restaurants.

Even villages near here have a pub a restaurant and usually several take aways

We even have Street lighting and electricity too.

NS is pissed off that Scotland voted to remain within UK. She hates the English and will do anything to divorce them. I wonder if Scotland can afford the subs for a bunch of unelected elitists from another country to make decisions for Scotland? I wonder how the Scots will take to that

I'm pretty sure reveal has never been to Scotland given the nonsense in that post.

I live some way from Edinburgh, in a small town with a population of approx 10,000. There are 4 restaurants, three lovely cafes and three pubs serving great food just within the town limits alone.

There are several streets full of million pound houses and (I've just checked) our average house price is higher too.

In answer to your question OP Scotland is culturally quite different to England. Historically we've always been pretty outward looking and European focused (the Auld Alliance being a prime example).

Historically speaking education has been extremely important in Scotland, so we have a pretty well educated population.

There are old sayings around the Presbyterian work ethic but certainly the Scots are massively punching above their weight in terms of innovation and have done for 100s of years (Google Scots inventors)

We have lots of space and not very many people. The immigrant populations here are very well integrated in general so the spectre of increased immigration so concerning the English just doesn't bother us. We need more people.

We're also, a bit pissed off about the fact that we vote entirely differently to the rest of the U.K. in pretty much every election and it doesn't matter.

Not everyone is a big fan of the First Minister or the SNP and there are questions to be answered before another Indyref but everyone I know is devastated by last week's result so change may be afoot.

Ps Reveal my house sold in 3 weeks two years ago. My friend's house is currently under offer after a week and a half.

Reveal my house sold in less than one month!
I live in a suburb not too far from Glasgow, I have worked in a letting agency and call centre and now run my own business. I have never ever worked in agriculture or in the public sector!
Around 4-5 miles away from my house there are currently 7 properties on the market between £800K and £1.2m.
On the Main Street in my (small town) there are 8 restaurants ranging from traditional Scottish food to Italian, Indian, Thai and Chinese and tapas!
I really don't know where you got the information from about Scotland, but I would honestly suggest you come visit, we have wonderful sights, great food and very welcoming open minded citizens!

Still vastly entertained by Reveal's post.

I have six friends (two consultant doctors, 2 GPs, a staff nurse and a teacher) who "work for the state".

None of my friends or family work in 'agriculture' despite the fact that both where I grew up and now live are semi rural towns.

None of my friends or family on Scotland are unemployed. They are IT consultants, engineers, company directors, artists, scientists, ecologists, investment bankers, sales & marketing people, academics, actors and accountants.

Scotland is a wonderful place although, granted, the weather can be well dodge.

Surely it's possible to have this conversation without resorting to sneers and insults? So depressing.

Why did we vote in? Why the hell wouldn't we? As has been covered already in this thread, we get massive investment from the EU.

What I think is crucial is the fact we only have 5million people over a relatively large area. We NEED immigrants. We haven't had the 'stress test' that certain areas have faced down south. Having said that, I am aware a lot of the areas who voted OUT also don't have large immigrant populations and so I wonder how well the immigrant argument actually stands up.

We are very far removed from Westminster and the Tory government and feel very connected to our European neighbours, who've done us no harm...whereas Westminster over the years.... ;)

Nicola Sturgeon is doing her job, and very well so far. I don't know if the lack of political party choice is what's done for you lot down there or what. But you sure don't seem happy. It's devastating you seem to have chucked the baby out with the bathwater though. It's a fucking tragedy.

I'm chuckling away about reveal thinking there are no 'proper' restaurants in Scotland.

Reveal - what utter utter bilge you've spouted. Ignorance exudes from your post, it really does.

I certainly don't think there is social deprivation in every inch of Scotland. I think Scotland is beautiful, highly cultured, and like any country has some very affluent areas. However, there are serious economic and social pressures and all of what I said in my previous post remains.

Central Glasgow is amazing but some of the city and its suburbs are extremely deprived. The same is true of Aberdeen where there are very wealthy areas but also high levels of deprivation. Yes, there are wealthy people living rurally but many small rural communities have nothing to offer the people who live there in terms of employment. Health statistics amongst the poor in parts of Scotland and life expectancy statistics are awful- drugs, alcohol, heart disease, smoking, cancer, diabetes.

And in that sense comparable to every other part of the UK surely - 'good' bits and 'bad' bits.

Tactical voting driven by the SNP to kick off another Indy ref is why Scotland voted remain

NS is driving her own agenda and dosent give a shit about what Scotland's people want

What happened to a once in a lifetime vote

She makes my blood boil