Why does Scotland want to stay in the EU?

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Just that really. I'm interested to know why a higher percentage voted to stay in than in England.

Where the fuck have you been visiting Reveal, cos I don't think it's Scotland?! And I say that as a No voter. You're talking pish.

I know a few people who work in agriculture because MIL comes from a farming family from the Borders so a couple of her siblings and friends own farms but beyond the majority of people I know don't work for either agriculture or the state. Most of the people I know work in:

• Financial Services
• Professional services (accountants/consultants etc)
• Childcare
• a couple on nurses/doctors/teachers - the only state employees I know
• IT
• sales

-STEM -Oil -Law -plus a host of small businesses which are flourishing

It's pretty common for employment and industry to be centred around major towns and cities, England is no different in that regard - just look at the vast swatches of northern towns which have struggled to recover from the loss of the mines decades ago.

And hahaha at the lack of decent eateries, even pretty small towns tend to have a posh gastro-pub type place.

Even Westminster have confirmed we actually pay in more per head of population than we take out. - that's not accurate tbh. Percentage wise we pay in a higher percentage than we take out (it's a while since I looked at the exact figures but it was something like we're 9% of the population, pay in 11% and take out 10%), but on an absolute monetary basis we take out more than we pay in because the country is running a big fat deficit - so the 10% (ish) of spending that we take out amounts to more than the 11% of income that we pay in IYSWIM because we, as a country, are overspending.

Typical racist response from reveal 😂😂😂 while she happily eats the finest Scottish produce in her fancy English restaurant 😂

Majority of voters in Scotland voted SNP - knowing full well that NS thinks independence is best for Scotland's interests. She will fight to keep us in Europe & so she should - the vote overwhelmingly said we want that

Because they're not feckin idiots who believe lie Murdoch and Farage feed them.

Hope that helps.

Reveal, you are hilarious! Eating out is a mission? I live in a small town nowhere near the Big 2 and we have many a place to choose from .

Some utter tosh being written here, I am not convinced they know Scotland at all.

What That1950sMum said...

A great Leader? She couldn't run a bath without Salmond turning the taps on for her!

Thank you to lulu and reveal for the best laugh I have had in days.

I've said it before, but..

You can't underestimate the influence of the independence referendum on the EU one, and no not because people voted tactically for independence

Firstly we've been having discussions and campaigns about what coming out of the EU might actually mean for more than 3 years, it was a huge part of the no campaign.

Secondly, there was no plan for leaving the EU, there was a detailed 270 page plan for leaving the UK and people thought it didn't stand up, this time there wasn't even a clear vision coming out of the leave campaign never mind any actual details.

Reveal I wouldnt say houses are cheap have you ever been to Aberdeen..? The houses are way over inflated that said the current oil crisis has hit the housing market hard and prices are dropping rapidly and houses aren't selling but prior to that the cost of houses and living in Aberdeen was sky high. If you didn't work in the oil industry taking home 6 figures in your household it would be a hard expensive place to live.

I bet Revealall is the same person who gave Ben Nevis a 1 star review on Trip Advisor for not having a gift shop at the top.

What a load of absolute bollocks!

I definitely think the independence referendum had an impact. We've been through a lot of soul searching and we've seen how even very detailed plans don't stack up. Because we voted no there's been a lot of sighs of relief that we've not been dependent on oil as it's fallen.

The point about the white paper is a good one. I'll also be fair and say that for those who it influenced they also didn't really see the vow materialise fully. All sides, I think, saw the extent to which politicians will just lie outright during that campaign.

Lulu when all the big finance companies and jobs leave London and head up to Scotland it will increase employment and wealth. All the companies that want to pull out of the U.K. since brexit would be better off moving to Scotland rather than Germany or France as it will be much cheaper for them. I would bet my front teeth that if the EU agrees to fast track and independent Scotland into the Eu or even lets us remain whilst the rest of the U.K. does not, we will see massive business opportunities open up.

Scotland would do fine with the Euro as its currency if it had to, but it would be in the best interests of England for Scotland to keep the pound as it will help to stabilise the currency.

I think in the next ten years Scotland will become the big player of the (disbanded) UK and England will only have itself to blame.

Can I also ask if Scotland is such a big drain on the English resources and funds then why the hell did they fight so hard to keep us in 2014? You think they would have been glad to be shot of us and doing everything they could to encourage voters to say Yes.

I'd love to see that happen but the finance companies who need to get out are unlikely to hang around to see if Scotland somehow managed to stay in the EU. Unless that emerges as a likely option very quickly, and one which could take effect either before or immediately after Brexit, then they won't want the uncertainty. If they want English speaking they'll go to Dublin

NS is driving her own agenda and dosent give a shit about what Scotland's people want

You'd think if that were true they'd have voted her out. But they haven't.

As for the mission to eat out... I went on holiday to the Outer Hebrides a few months ago and ate out in different places every day. The food was amazing - utterly delicious, and frequently locally sourced. Can't wait to go back!

You lying Wench you ate nothing but deep fried Mars bars from a chippy really!

you ate nothing but deep fried Mars bars from a chippy

I really wanted to try that! But people kept thwarting me .

That's cos we're nice and wanted you to leave with unfurred arteries and tales of our wonderful cuisine.

It's a bit like when you go to North Korea, we gave you the sanitised tourist view and hid the rampaging poverty, dire food and unsellable houses

Scotland needs immigrants and has not yet reached saturation. Immigration has not been so high as to change the entire culture of an area.

I think that the scots have a difficult decision ahead of them. If they leave the Uk and join the EU then they will not enjoy tariff free trading or freedom of movement with England. As an EU country they will not be able to establish trade links with England even if they want to.

The last scottish independence referendum was a simpler choice. A scotland with no freedom of movement or free trade with England could cause itself more damage than simply leaving the EU.

Because we don't resent immigrants.

Because we don't want to lose our trading partners.

Because we don't want a massive recession.

Whats this nonsense about "they do everything the SNP tells them'.

No wonder some people want independence with those attitudes.

OK, then I will be more appreciative of concerns for my cardio-vascular health! And yes, it's true that tourists generally don't see the worst of social conditions when they visit a place. I haven't been to North Korea, but I imagine that tourists are encouraged to stay in the tourist areas.

Hi all,

After a great many requests, we're moving the bulk of the referendum threads to the new board here.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_

Many of you, understandably, want to discuss this subject at length and in detail - this seems a good way to simultaneously keep AIBU and Chat moving for those who don't wish to participate. Of course, the conversations will still appear in Active.

thanksforallthefish You think they would have been glad to be shot of us and doing everything they could to encourage voters to say Yes.

I thought that about the Brexit campaign. Why weren't all the other EU members making a good case for us to stay?

Scotland may have voted to remain, but they will have 2 large problems to overcome if they want to leave the UK and be a member state, and those are Spain and Belgium, both of whom have already said that they will use their veto iirc. Both those countries have their own problems with secessionists and won't want that encouraged with EU membership.

If Scotland does go, then it will have to be the euro, as there is no other option, and I can't see the BoE acting as backstop for Scotland if they left.

Spain is completely different to Scotland as Scotland is its own country and has had independence in the past. Catalonia has always been part of Spain. There is no benefit in Spain using its veto.

This afternoon the former PM of Belgium said if Scotland chooses the EU over the UK then a path should be laid for it to remain.

So no certainty Scotland will be vetoed at all, in fact some encouraging sounds coming from the EU. But I have to say I'm really impressed by all the psychic goggles some posters seem to have on!