AIBU to be seriously considering leaving the UK after Friday's result?

[Ladyonashortfuse]

Appalled at the outcome on Friday and not willing to give up for our DC the rights to live work and study in the EU we've enjoyed, we are looking to move to a friendly EU country in October with a view eventually to gaining back our EU citizenship. Don't think we can rely on anything better coming out of the Brexit negotiations. DH works on the internet and I have a TEFL qualification so think we'll manage financially. DC are all pre school age. Obviously however this is going to be a major upheaval and it'll be more difficult to stay in touch with family etc, who are likely to be upset. AIBU and/or mad to be going this far? Am in two minds at present.

Get a grip OP!

Wow, bridgetoc, such a nuanced, reasoned argument!

VioletBam Thanks that's really helpful (I've now googled the correct term for future reference).

We were told by DC that article 50 would be implemented immediately if we voted to leave but that's not happening

Well yeah, because it's clear that half the country don't want it. The PM's resigned and there may be a general election.

Would you like the government to action article 50 without debate and consideration?

What 'friendly' EU country would you move to though? Euroscepticism is on the rise right across the continent with no signs of abating.

Secondly, do you really want to be part of a European superstate - because that is where the federalists want to take it and without dissenters and moderating voices that is where it will go.

This is being reported today in the Polish and Austrian media - the latest proposition from French and German foreign ministries:

uatoday.tv/politics/european-superstate-instead-of-e-u-680410.html

It's a proposition, you know like Boris's proposition to give 350 million a week to the NHS.

Actually I do not think you are being unreasonable to consider it at all.

I have already started gathering my documents needed for my Irish Citizenship application (both grandparents are Irish and my mother by being born to Irish citizen even though in UK holds Irish Citizenship automatically - I just need to register my birth on the Foreign Birth Register - sadly my girls and DH can't though but if we move to Ireland due to the Britain leaving, we can get residence cards for dependent/spouses of EU Citizens (which I will still be if UK leaves). This would mean they could stay long enough to be able to apply for citizenship. We will only move soon if Britain does leave - but I will be applying for Irish Citizenship anyway so that I can move with my family throughout the EU when I eventually graduate (STEM through OU - begin in October - already hold a STEM qualification) as a precautionary measure - I don't want to take any chances, I want to be a member of the EU. I have started looking for jobs both in Ireland and also in Scotland as I think they have a very good chance of being an EU member with Nicola Sturgeon at the helm (I do like her!).

If Scotland gain independence through a second independence referendum I will also be entitled to apply for citizenship there due to my Dad being Scottish and as such, according to the documents from the Referendum in 2014 (assuming the same citizenship rules will apply) my girls would be able to apply straight away for citizenship.

I strongly believe being part of the EU is very important (for so many reasons), and I am lucky enough to be able to do it one way or another for my girls to grow up in an EU country so will be doing it.

It's a proposition, you know like Boris's proposition to give 350 million a week to the NHS.

There's a great deal of difference between false claims and rhetoric in a referendum campaign spoken by those who don't have the power to deliver (Johnson at present is merely an elected MP with no power to deliver a penny to anyone), compared to a four page document drawn up by the foreign ministries of the two most powerful countries in the EU and distributed to Visegrad Group members for discussion

If there are still those who don't believe that the Federalist agenda of the EU is the creation of a third world power, a superstate - one army, one flag and the erosion of the nation state, then I despair. It's not as if they make any secret of it.

would you like the government to action article 50 without debate and consideration?

Of course not. The ideal situation would be that this vote forces the EU to commit to reform that benefits all of its members and that we stay in.

its a proposition, you know like Boris's proposition to give 350 million a week to the NHS

This is my point though. If someone voted remain on being told that there would be an immediate emergency budget, an immediate austerity budget, immediate mass job losses etc. Then why is that different to someone voting leave for being told that 350m per week would be going to the NHS?

Scaryteacher

Do you think 'soldiering' is all military folk do?

Most military have dual roles. They're trained for combat of course but they also have a 'trade'

EDUCATORS
Pilots
Administrators
Engineers
Mechanics
Photographers
Air traffic control
Communications
IT
Medics (including radiographers pharmacists researchers)
Environmental health experts
Counsellors
Religious leaders
Chefs
Logistics
HR
Firefighters
Police officers
Lawyers
Photographers
Electricians
Electronics experts
Cartographers
Project management
Advertising and marketing
PR
Media comms ... And many more eminently transferable careers

As scaryteacher is a military spouse, I suspect she has an excellent idea of range of trades and functions within Forces.

Wow that surprises me.

As a former brat and ex 'wife of' myself I already knew a lot of 'civvies' are unaware. I'd expect a military wife to know.

If you have time and a reasonable expectation of employment even later than
October, I would wait. Saying that, as an expat I am very very glad to not be in the uk right now and even more glad to be married to a European so being able to now apply for dual nationality and keep my work and living options open. Children are already both dual. I would hate for them to be trapped in little England. Feel a lot less vulnerable when they have the whole of Europe to go at.
Was kind of shocked today from a good friend I have who is Lebanese who lives in Europe and who off handedly said the British have a reputation for thinking they are a bit superior as a race and it makes sense for them to leave Europe

Good luck, TwoLittleBlooms. I think you are being sensible.

My own DCs are US-born and have one by one applied for their Irish passports when they turned 18. They may well find Ireland or somewhere else in the EU a nicer place to live than the US if Trump gets elected.

There is apparently a long wait right now thanks to to volume of applications.

Not unreasonable at all, we're also thinking through our options. I'm an academic and my work depends on EU grants. And I don't want my children to be restricted from living and working in other EU countries. I may have a right to another EU passport through my grandmother, but also looking into moving to Canada. I can't see a solution to this mess in the short or medium term. Many others in academia are thinking the same. A couple of professorial appointments of the last two months have now said they are re-considering.

We've had a look at Canada too, we loved it when we went there on holiday, seems a very progressive country. But unfortunately, it's a bit hard to get into if you're not on the list of current preferred professions or have a job ready to go to. We'll be keeping an eye out though.

I think Canada has seen something like a 300% rise in interest in immigrating since last Friday. Coupled with the queues round the block for Irish passports. Lots of people are assessing their emigration options. There's a certain irony, isn't there?

Another irony was pointed out in another thread - a poster was talking about her Romanian nanny who lived under Ceaucescu.
She, and hundreds of thousands like her, will be (sadly) quite mentally and emotionally equipped to weather the coming storm.
They'll stay and hopefully make something of the place while Brits leave in droves.

And as for a pp saying knee jerk, hyperbole, as if you'd leave...
My DP has already had an interview for a job overseas.

I think the most laughable suggestion here is that some remainers may be considering moving to the states? Bizarre, be dissatisfied with our leave vote, but suggest to opt in to a country that may well be governed by trump soon? The mind boggles.

I'd be considering it if I could see a way to do it. Kids in school, jobs that are not easy to transfer etc. I am however going to apply for a new passport for an EU country that I am entitled to, to get the same for my kids.

Ehhh... I dunno, thefuture

Trump won't last forever, these people may have family in more progressive states where they can ride it all out

I might go too. Tell you what, you go, let us know how it is where you are and I'll follow a bit later...