AIBU to be seriously considering leaving the UK after Friday's result?

[Ladyonashortfuse]

Appalled at the outcome on Friday and not willing to give up for our DC the rights to live work and study in the EU we've enjoyed, we are looking to move to a friendly EU country in October with a view eventually to gaining back our EU citizenship. Don't think we can rely on anything better coming out of the Brexit negotiations. DH works on the internet and I have a TEFL qualification so think we'll manage financially. DC are all pre school age. Obviously however this is going to be a major upheaval and it'll be more difficult to stay in touch with family etc, who are likely to be upset. AIBU and/or mad to be going this far? Am in two minds at present.

If you go stropping off to mainland Europe in the belief that everyone there loves the EU and is super-tolerant of immigrants, this is a completely fallacious

What a naive comment.

hmmm, I think you will find a lot of EU countries are more anti-EU than we are. Good luck with that.

Nicola Sturgeon is opposing it. God I love that woman!

We're not considering or threatening it, we are leaving. To New Zealand. And yes, it's a long way away, and yes, my DD won't get to see her grandparents any more, but they voted leave, so presumably they were prepared for this, because they considered the ramifications of their vote. oh wait

And if one more leave voter tells me to calm down, I won't be responsible for my actions. I'm perfectly calm, I actually understand the far-reaching consequences of their actions, and I'm not going to throw myself on the pyre of 'be patriotic', 'stay, your country needs you' for them. They did this awful thing, they can own it. And sink with it.

Also considering it here.
What happens if you go to an EU country in next two years before we leave and then we leave and you haven't been there long enough for residency.

Don't you all think that this is a knee jerk reaction? Give it a bit of time ffs.....with a bit of positivity, the ship that is the UK will sail into a better future! Not sure how we can do that with such negativity undermining a brand new start!

Not at all. As long as you're doing it from a reasoned viewpoint and you sound as though you are, and you also think you have the skills needed.

From a purely selfish viewpoint, the only thing that has made me feel better about this entire clusterfuck is starting the process of dual citizenship for my children, as their father is from an EU country that allows it.

It's always good to keep options open. And I, personally, feel that it is going to get pretty rough over here over the next couple of years. I didn't vote for that, and I'm quite happy about taking my specialist skills elsewhere if needs be.

If you go stropping off to mainland Europe in the belief that everyone there loves the EU and is super-tolerant of immigrants, this is a completely fallacious

Why is this naive? I have lots of family who live in multiple European countries and I'm just pointing out that if living in a very tolerant inclusive country that welcomes new immigrants from this point in is your priority, you may not find it where you think you will in many European countries.

If you want to move there for better jobs, to have a EU passport and freedom to move further, and so forth, these are good arguments, but some of the posts on here don't seem cognizant of the rise of the far right and the very real threats to immigrants in EU countries, my relative lives in a small town where the local refugee hostel was torched and someone died, people refuse to serve/sit near certain groups of people, and people openly show their dislike.

Now, most UK people think they won't be the 'disliked' group and perhaps they won't, but it's naive to think immigration isn't a huge issue, and by making yourself an immigrant immediately yourself, you may have a horrible shock when you find you don't have enough points/welcomed with open arms by the neighbours/they think you are taking their jobs etc.

its we aren't doing it to punish them. We're doing it so that we can offer our DD a more secure future. Which she now won't have in the UK. In fact, our parents (with the exception of my DDad, thank god) forced us to do this. We have a responsibility to ourselves and our daughter, and we can't fulfil that responsibility here.

And as for 'why not wait and see', I'm pretty sure that was one of the things they said on the Titanic. The people who went down with the ship, I mean. I'm also 100% certain that PMA doesn't shore up sterling, or the FTSE, or they'd be piping 'Whistle a Happy Tune' into every trading floor in the land. FFS.

OP come to Scotland. We will be having Indy Ref 2 by the looks of it (or perhaps stay part of the EU and the U.K. - it's too early to tell)

You will still be close enough to your family to visit a couple times a year.

The only drawback is the weather but you do get used to the constant rain after a while

Ireland might be fine. They are less likely to hate you as we have strong ties with them. My dh could claim dual nationally due to his parents I believe our DC can too. Scotland whilst a lovely country may not actually leave the uk and France are saying no to joining automatically. Mind you Hollande could well be unemployed by the time Scotland want to join. I don't know much about Germany though.
Still if you can rationalise your decision to your satisfaction you should go whatever you feel you can live with. Personally Id start putting feelers out but wouldn't actually move just yet. The split may not be quite as acrimonious. It could be like one party saying I'm hoping for full custody of the kids you'll get nothing but in the end the divorce settlement is reasonably fair yo both sides.

well I'm leaving Mumsnet! The level of political debate here is SO low, and stoops to personal insult in a disgraceful way (and this by those who are always shamelessly desperate to take the moral highground).

The Referendum just showed what people really thought (both for Leave and Remain). Leave had been told to shut up for 20 years. You give people a vote or a voice, and the chances are they are going to use it! The truth will out. If politicians try and force people to do something (join Europe) by silencing them or ignoring them or shaming them, eventually there will be a reaction. The only surprise really is how long it has taken. The Remain campaign and their leaders across the political-spectrum-elite are totally responsible for creating this unpleasant crisis. They then (Cameron in particular) decided to go for a Referendum, thinking they would win. Remain lost because the truth will out. Foaming at the mouth, threatening recession, avoiding genuine questions on sovereignty and immigration, patronising and insulting your political opponents does not a winning argument or strategy make.

I am personally sorry that Remain voters are still so angry and blaming, I really am. But they still seem horribly cocky and self-regarding somehow. I hope they learn to bury the hatchet and accept this democratic decision. I hope the future is brighter. I am glad we are free and independent again. I hope people will look forward to the future together.

the ship that is the UK will sail into a better future

OMG the idiocy. Do you realise the United Kingdom will no longer exist when Scotland leaves? Great Britain won't exist when Scotland leaves? (never mind NI, a whole other political disaster).

The United Kingdom won't be sailing anywhere. It will be nada, zip, zilch, a historical artefact. Your country won't exist any more. You have voted to break it up. There is no ship.

I despair. I'd be happy to leave and live somewhere else - I don't feel at home in this country any more surrounded by such mindless ignorance.

I hope people will look forward to the future together.

We're already not looking forward to a future together with Scotland and Northern Ireland, so how does that hope look?

Oh ffs!! george get a grip !

The irony in a lot of these referendum posts (and I voted remain btw) is the xenophobia towards our own country. It seems like it's almost fashionable to be unpatriotic if you're British. Having worked in other countries both in and out of the EU, I've never seen this anywhere else. I can understand from the attitudes I've seen on here over the past few days why so many people voted leave.

George is absolutely right. Scotland will now leave the UK, and NI may start talks to reunite with the rest of Ireland.

We don't have a future 'together' England (and Wales) is now divided against itself.

Oh ffs!! george get a grip !

Are you really that blind to what this means?

I am stating facts - what can you disagree with?

Scottish independence. The Good Friday agreement is torn up at a stroke (it is dependent on EU free movement over the border and on EU law).

The United Kingdom is the name of the United Kingdom of Great Britain (England and Scotland) and Northern Ireland. As soon as Scotland achieves independence, it ceases to exist under the Acts of Union.

Are you suggesting the Scots will be staying with us? And there will be no revival of tensions in Northern Ireland, most probably leading to a united Ireland?

It's heads out of sand time, people: this is going to be reality.

I'm very well aware of the impact of the restriction of freedom of movement, which is precisely why I'm considering moving before the shit hits the fan. Having lived and worked in France before, I know precisely what I'm doing.

Yup. I am getting an Irish passport and will look for jobs in Germany, Brussels, Sweden, etc.
This isn't my country. I'm ashamed of England and Wales right now.
So many people I know who either already hold foreign passports or are entitled to them are doing the same. Those who aren't entitled to one are looking into moving to Scotland. There is a very real chance of a brain-drain from London in particular (unless it gets a chance at choosing its own destiny - which, sadly, England will never let it do, since we pay their bills).
Deeply depressing. I thought we were better than this. It appears some people have very little knowledge of history.

Well Jenny maybe London does pay our bills but we pay Scotland's. They get a better deal than say Sunderland. Do you honestly think Scotland will leave with oil at under $40 a barrel. They'd have to join the euro and shengen. The EU won't give them as much cash as we do and if they do well good luck to them.
As far as Good Friday agreement unless NYC and Boston have forgotten 9/11 the IRA Sinn Fein funding is still gone forever so it benefits them to play nice.
Plus if London and the young had got off their arses and turned out to vote instead of crying after the fact on social media remain would have won,
It like complaining the numbers you thought of came up on the lottery but moaning because you didn't buy a ticket.