AIBU to be seriously considering leaving the UK after Friday's result?

[Ladyonashortfuse]

Appalled at the outcome on Friday and not willing to give up for our DC the rights to live work and study in the EU we've enjoyed, we are looking to move to a friendly EU country in October with a view eventually to gaining back our EU citizenship. Don't think we can rely on anything better coming out of the Brexit negotiations. DH works on the internet and I have a TEFL qualification so think we'll manage financially. DC are all pre school age. Obviously however this is going to be a major upheaval and it'll be more difficult to stay in touch with family etc, who are likely to be upset. AIBU and/or mad to be going this far? Am in two minds at present.

Plus not all of NI voted to leave only the border areas. Do Eire actually want the north to join them?

Scotland will be alright, it can have those EU structural funds that you lot don't want ;-)

Lol at moving to the South of France GloriaGaynor - they are chomping at the bit to leave the EU and much more openly racist than we are (I spend every summer there as family own property)
Breathtaking naivety on Mumsnet at the moment!

Ok Jenny where will Europe get that money from? You do realise we won't be sending Brussels any cash. Right now on your reckoning we save all the money we send to Brussels and all the money we send to Scotland. We save all the costs and expenses of 57 Scottish MPs. This is like winning the lottery!

Yeah good luck with that lottery win :-)

Well, if you do, I would strongly recommend Germany. Munich and Berlin both have large English speaking communities (which is great for while you learn German!), there are many multi-language schools so your DC can grow up multilingual, if you go for Berlin or the surrounding area it is still quite cheap to rent and very cheap to buy. Most Germans I've met have been absolutely lovely people and the absolute best thing for me about living here is that you are easily and cheaply able to travel to other EU countries.

Plus we get snowy winters and very sunny summers. It is like being on summer holidays at the moment but this is just my life, ha! Everyone goes out to the lakes for a swim in the evenings/weekends, or has drinks/picnics along the sides of the canal...

Plus it's really not too hard to learn the language when immersed. I learned German for free at a school funded by the EU here actually! Most people here can speak perfect English but learning German has really made it great here for me.

Oh, and finally, I feel welcome here, which is not how many Germans in the UK are feeling at the moment sadly.

Take it you're just being a goady fucker then Jenny as you're not answering the question.

VulpesVulpes are you in Berlin? It's my most favourite city in the world.

DH and I have always planned to live there at some point but we decided to wait until DD was done with school first. We are not too keen on the 3 tier system of German secondaries and the international school in Berlin has a long waiting list.

I suppose now we shall just need to make do with city breaks when we can.

We're considering leaving. Not because we think that the rest of Europe is some idyllic haven but because the sector we are both in will no longer receive the £1 billion a year EU funding that it currently does. And that's also why we may look outside of the EU - if the funding situation looks better and the opportunities are good then it will be considered. There is nothing contradictory about no wanting the UK to leave the EU and considering moving outside of the EU. And it's not a knee jerk reaction. We aren't going to move tomorrow but it would be foolish not to consider it. I can't imagine the EU continuing to hand over a billion a year once the UK exit.

Thanksforallthefish I am indeed! Was planning on moving back to the UK in a couple years as planning to start a family very soon, but I've now been looking at just staying here and I have to say there aren't many cons other than my family being far away, but there are a huge amount of pros.

I agree re: the secondary school system, I'd be aiming to send them to an international one unless they really wanted to go to the German style ones. But I have a while to prepare for that! :)

I survived the German secondary school system, it's not that bad! And may well have changed a bit in the last 20 years, I dunno.

AuntDotsie I don't think there is a problem with the German school system if you start school with the ability to speak German. (Or at at least start at the age of 6 so you can pick it up in the early years).

I think to go into the system half way through your education with very little German would put you at a disadvantage. I would like for my daughter to go to university (if she chooses to do so). I think by the time she caught up with the language she would already have been streamed and on a different path.

Ideally we should have moved when she was younger so this wouldn't have been an issue. I just want her to have the ability to achieve her potential and I think moving her at this point would put her at a disadvantage.

Ireland might be fine. They are less likely to hate you as we have strong ties with them.

It would be interesting to see what the response in Ireland would be to an influx of British people. Ireland and the UK have strong ties, but not all of them are positive....

Fish I went into 8. Klasse Gymnasium having spent 6 months doing a German crash course. It can absolutely be done, but it is hard work and required a lot of input from my mum! Admittedly, I went onto the FOS instead of the full Hochschulreife, but I do have a BA and an MA from UK unis. It was the Latin wot done it for me, mainly - I never managed to catch up the 2 years I'd missed. But with careful management and depending on your personal circs, definitely doable. Kids are like language sponges. Feel free to PM me if you want more specific info

GloriaGaynor - they are chomping at the bit to leave the EU and much more openly racist than we are (I spend every summer there as family own property)Breathtaking naivety on Mumsnet at the moment.

My family also own property there and I've been going there for 35 years. I lived in Paris for 10 years, so I'm highly amused by your post. France is much more racist than the UK, and the south is full of extremists, but at the same time they have a higher Muslim population than the UK. They moan about the EU but still won't leave.

The political and economic naivety of the leavers would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

For the people who think everything will be fine, go read the Brexit Casualty thread, and read up on the number of people who have already or will lose their job. Funding is withdrawn, firms relocate to Europe. This is the reality.
HSBC will move 1000 jobs to Paris on Brexit. This is just the beginning,

Even Farage is predicting recession.

The German school system hasn't changed massively in the last 20 years but it is now possible to do an Abitur after school meaning that Gymnasium is no longer the only route to university, but teachers still act as though it is so the pressure is still there.

The school system is not perfect by a long shot (and should not be fetishised by the UK media as much as it is!) but it's also not terrible, I mean German engineering still has an excellent reputation, so it can't be doing that badly. UK schools aren't perfect either.

One very big plus about French and German education system is very cheap uni fees. I don't know how much German fees are but French are around €180 per year for a first degree.

Thanks for the information AntyDotsie and BertieBotts. I think we will hang around and see if Scotland gets independence first. We seriously considered the move after the Indyref in 2014 but the education aspect is what stopped us at that point.

We have friends in Germany (German not British) and we have been brushing up on our German but we are still at what I would say basic high school level and not fluent. I do find I can understand more than I can speak but I struggle with sentence construction. That is also a factor in our decision as I would worry my non fluency would be a hurdle in getting a job. I'm sure I would pick it up after a while though.

This thread is making me long for another trip to Berlin.

Moving to France to avoid racism ? good luck with that one.

And as for Germany, many are not so kean on their Turkish population. Maybe they won't like an Island ape invasion either.

Iniquity well I live in the most Turkish area of Berlin, and it's lovely! There is racism in whatever country you go to but it is absolutely not tolerated here and Germans do have a go at people who they see being racist.

Almost everyone I know has also worked in some way with the refugees coming into the city and it generally has a very friendly, international atmosphere. It's lovely.

Of course there are downsides to living here, there is for anywhere, but it sounds a lot better than the UK right now!

Saying all that I do miss Scotland loads and love my country don't get me wrong! :)

Vulpes I had some German friends who had some 'interesting' views on the turkish population which they presented as a matter of fact.
Obviously they couldn't have been racist because they weren't
English, but I'd imagine if you asked an ethnic minority in Germany if they had experienced racism I'm sure they would say yes, just like here.

Come to Australia. It's very nice.

I'm in Scotland so may be ok but will tomorrow be investigating getting dd and I EU passports (we both have claims to different EU countries).

I had a 5-6 year plan re emigrating anyway, my bring it down to 2-3.

Have friends living in 7 EU countries so can get info from them (which I'd been doing anyway). What the politicians (of all colours) seem to be failing to see is that they're alienating Brits.

The doctors are leaving /wanting to leave thanks to hunts shite, nurses realise they're next on the hit list.

Military feel alienated due to lack of equipment and poor housing, plus of course quite a lot will have already lived in Europe so no fear of the unknown

Civil servants no longer guaranteed a job for life (alienate the civil service at your peril as anyone who's watched yes minister will know )

Teachers will want to go if that twat gove becomes pm and teaching quals are very transferable like the medical skills.

That's only 4 groups of Brits but pretty major ones

The herald up here has a poll running on insured, last I checked 79% would vote Indy at the moment