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To ask if Leave voters would still vote the same way, knowing what they know now? And what people who didn't vote now feel?

252 replies

longestlurkerever · 25/06/2016 20:18

I think I'd find it easier to accept the result if I knew that the majority of the country were still happy with the decision to leave, now that they realise that the economic predictions were not scaremongering, that there really is no fallback plan for how to forge a new deal with the EU and now that the leave campaign appear to be backtracking on many of their claims.

No judgment, it's just that the decision is not binding yet. There are reports in the media of people regretting their vote to leave but I don't know how widespread a feeling that is.

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Roonerspism · 02/07/2016 08:13

Many of the most outraged Remainers on FB are people who are completely disinterested in politics generally.

I know this because they normally have zero interest in these discussions and were not remotely interested in the EU referendum.

Whereas the people for whom it hung in the balance and weighed it all up have generally been more thoughtful in their response either way.

Which makes me scratch my head and wonder if lots of people just get off with being unpleasant on FB

Simmi1 · 03/07/2016 07:33

I don't think so Rooner. I think it's just that with normal politics there tends not to be a huge difference between the main parties - and if you make a mistake you can vote them out after a few years. It's also generally been considered bad form to push your political views. With the Eu referendum however this had the potential to and has caused massive repercussions with lots of people losing their jobs or worried about losing their jobs, their right to remain in the uk, their ability to travel and work within the eu freely. There is a big difference. My fb friends are very pro remain and many very vocally so - there have been a few jokes etc poking fun of the leavers but nothing too horrendous!

concertplayer · 03/07/2016 08:50

Liinoo- we cannot be compared with Norway and Switzerland.
Switzerland wealth is based on its banks who have banking
secrecy laws. Those people round the world who wish to hide their cash
put it there.
Norway is a net oil exporter so pretty independent. However, with oil
crashing it may seek to change its ts and cs with the EU.
They still have free movement.

AnneTwacky · 03/07/2016 10:43

I voted remain and I'm really struggling with the massive repercussions that leaving the EU would have on the UK.
Am I mad at people who used their vote to leave. No - They were asked their opinion and answered honestly.
Am I mad at the people who organised this referendum to get the euroskeptic vote and ran the leave campaign for their own political ambition without giving an actual fig for the welfare of this country. Then, when the referendum didn't go the way they expected, it turns out they had no plan to exit the EU. Absolutely.
The pound has not bounced back.
www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1M
The far right have (incorrectly), taken the result as validation for the vile beliefs, as much as it was not intended to be.
There is real possibility that Scotland may decide to leave the UK and reintroducing a stronger border between Northern Ireland and Eire could prove disastrous.
The worst part. The UK is at her most fragile and our government is in disarray, as is the opposition.
We need to recognise the negative consequences of Brexit or how can we stand a chance of alleviating them.

Simmi1 · 03/07/2016 10:59

I think most people do recognise this Anne - hence all the uproar from remainers and regret from some leavers. The only person who probably doesn't recognise the consequences is Nigel Farage 😆

JellyBellyKelly · 03/07/2016 11:02

Isn't it too early to say? There's an atmosphere of 'See? It's all fine!' but we're a couple of days in and the EU leaving process hasn't even begun yet

I'd be really happy to adopt that attitude... if the remainers did the same rather than spouting that the sky was going to fall in as soon as the pound dropped on 24th June.

In answer to the OP... I voted leave and would do so again.

AnotherPrickInTheWall · 03/07/2016 11:38

I voted to leave and have no regrets.
I would like to elaborate but I'm not prepared for the repercussions.

longfingernails · 03/07/2016 12:39

Why would a leave voter be unhappy? The EU is already showing us how it would have gone if we had stayed in, with plans for an EU army, calls for more centralisation, etc.

On the other hand, I am a bit annoyed at myself for being honest and saying Leave in a Yougov poll close to the day. If I had said Remain it would have been better. And I should have been more involved in campaigning.

Roonerspism · 03/07/2016 12:46

long I'm a Leave voter with zero regrets but I became EuroSceptic a number of years ago.

As well as feeling lighter, I feel sad. Sad that the UK is divided, sad that people aren't speaking, sad that migrants here feel unwelcome and most of all I feel cross. Cross because the EU was a trading block only and never thought to check whether we were all ok with its ridiculous plans for a bloated state of integrated nations

louisagradgrind · 04/07/2016 13:08

Well said, Rooners and I shall be adding your thoughts to my own the next time I'm asked if I regret voting Leave.

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 04/07/2016 13:14

I'm trying really hard not to feel angry with Leave voters, though it is hard for a number of reasons. I suspect few would say they would now change their minds because they feel that they're all being called stupid and racist just because quite a lot of stupid and racist people did vote Leave - so to change your mind and vote otherwise would be, tacitly, to concede that you agree you were either stupid or racist, and who wants to concede that?

I feel sorry for those who do realise they were duped and lied to, though have little time for anyone who shits on about 'sunlit uplands' and the like. They are as culpable in ignoring the plight of the disenfranchised and disadvantaged as they claim the metropolitan elite were in saying things like this, because we all know who is going to see the least 'sunlit uplands' - the poor and the already disadvantaged. To say you're happy and don't mind a 'short term' dent to the economy is to care even less about those people than you claim the elite do.

Or, alternatively, it's just stupid!

AlcoChocs · 04/07/2016 13:21

No regrets for me, I've always been Eurosceptic and more so since the referendum with all the shouting and temper tantrums from the EU and Remainers.

MangoMoon · 04/07/2016 13:55

Still no regrets from me, either!
Sorry....

Woodhill · 04/07/2016 15:02

be fed up with the government particularly New Labour not listening to the voters and making the situation worse than it should have been

no regrets either

louisagradgrind · 04/07/2016 16:52

I try very hard not to be angry with Remain voters.

They listened to hysterical rubbish.

They wanted to tie us into one of the most undemocratic racist organisations the world has ever known.

They put out advertisements showing Europe (in the shape of a blue eyed blonde woman) quelling other races (in the shape of a half naked African doing somersaults; in the shape of a Bruce lee half naked Asian doing karate kicks and in the shape of a Turk in full costume dress with a scimitar) into submission.

They wanted us to support this organisation as it endeavoured to form armies and have tighter economic control. They wanted to control borders.

They have ruined the Greek economy and have probably contributed to the failing state of many more.

Most of the half wits-who I know -so it may not hold true for everyone-couldn't name half a dozen MEPs from this country alone and yet they were willing to vote Remain.Talk about stupid!

Yes, I can barely bring myself to forgive these dolts and thank goodness, the more intelligent side carried the day!

MangoMoon · 04/07/2016 16:58

This advertisement Louis?

m.youtube.com/watch?v=aPYTxb03U08&feature=player_embedded

MangoMoon · 04/07/2016 17:02

Sorry forgot to add, she's not blonde/blue eyed - but YY to what a horribly stereotyped advert it is.

The 'mighty, white' EU 'taming' the 'savages'.

Foul.

louisagradgrind · 04/07/2016 17:08

Yes, Mango that's it.

She is a white woman though-even if she isn't blonde- and there she is taming all these 'savages'.

Tha's how Europe views itself and all those races outside its white bloc.

Filthy, racist organisation.

I believe they withdrew it when the light dawned on their thick heads, that they had shown their true intent by mistake. Too late though, it's out there and it is indefensible.

Shame on those who voted to remain in such an organisation. So angry with them.

louisagradgrind · 04/07/2016 17:09

Hopefully, this will make some Remainers regret their vote but I suppose we'll see a lot of contorting to defend it before they will say that!

MangoMoon · 04/07/2016 17:14

Knots will be tied, and highly imaginative leaps of fancy will be made I'm sure!

caitlinohara · 04/07/2016 17:16

I am happier about the result with every passing day. I cannot see the downside of so many people engaging in politics more than ever. It is right that we should consider what sort of society we want to live in and how we want to be governed. I also think the narrative is changing, I am seeing far more articles that aclnowledge the very valid reasons why people voted Leave, and a bit more Shock at the notion of overturning the result, which has been my biggest worry. I also think there are an awful lot of people who style themselves as anti-Establishment (I'm looking at you Owen Jones, Billy Bragg, Mark Thomas) who are starting to realise that they picked the wrong side and that they are going to have to come up with a new image...

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 05/07/2016 08:57

Louisa you've made a good and enthusiastic attempt at satire and parody there, and certainly the idea that Leave voters were motivated by an antipathy toward what they perceive as the EU's racism is an original and interesting one!

At the moment, your writing doesn't quite work because it isn't carefully enough backed up with facts, and there are some obvious logical problems here - for example, you mention that Remain voters were swayed by hysterical lies, but don't really engage with the fact that the Remain camps fears for the economy and the political landscape have actually been borne out, and in many cases the reality has actually been worse than predicted, rather than better. You have obviously tried to take on the idea that Leave voters are stupid by turning it 180 degrees and simply leveling the same accusation at Remain voters, but again, this is slightly too clunking a device to work well for you here.

Overall, I think if you try to hone your obvious enthusiasm for the topic and your commitment to your theme with a more carefully and subtly developed writing style, you might be able to produce something of interest.

louisagradgrind · 05/07/2016 12:09

Hi Seek

Do you think that video is racist? If not, what would you call it?

If you don't want to answer 'yes' or 'no' then I suppose we will have to conclude that you think it is but can't defend it.

louisagradgrind · 05/07/2016 12:10

Ps.

Seek while appreciating your subtle and honed writing skill, please don't make it so subtle or honed that lots of us can't follow it!

Maz2444466 · 05/07/2016 12:15

Is that EU enlacement add for real?

I'm in shock, what a horrific ad. Shock

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