To ask if Leave voters would still vote the same way, knowing what they know now? And what people who didn't vote now feel?

[longestlurkerever]

I think I'd find it easier to accept the result if I knew that the majority of the country were still happy with the decision to leave, now that they realise that the economic predictions were not scaremongering, that there really is no fallback plan for how to forge a new deal with the EU and now that the leave campaign appear to be backtracking on many of their claims.

No judgment, it's just that the decision is not binding yet. There are reports in the media of people regretting their vote to leave but I don't know how widespread a feeling that is.

It is for real and, in my opinion, indefensible.

Quite sure it will be defended though, although no-one has come along yet!

Hi Louisa - yes, that advert which the EU never used is deeply problematic. Do you think that might be why they didn't use it?

It's the great "fortress" of Europe. If you are outside, then hell mend you.

When you consider it completely objectively, it's ridiculous.

I'm a little bit surprised that people are getting excited about a video commissioned by the EU and made by an ad company which the EU then didn't use 4 years ago, rather than by the actual poster used by the actual Leave campaign, actually now, with the queue of brown people bringing us to 'breaking point', but I expect there's a good reason.

Seek

Do you think they just got in touch with the production company and said, 'surprise us!' ?

Do you think they should have objected at the story board stage?

Do you think it was actually out there before it was withdrawn or do you think that is not a real video?

Do you think I should have rushed down to William Hill's (or other betting shop) and put a bet on the fact that someone would try to defend it on the crap grounds that you have?

Do you think it would suit you better to have just said, 'yes, it is indefensible?'

Do you think failure to do that makes you look as if you will make excuses for anything the EU do?

Do you think that makes it look as if you are presenting yourself as mindless fan of the EU?

Do you think you would have had a different reply if Ukip had put that video out there?

And again, because it is worth repeating in the fond but foolish hope of getting an answer: Do you think that the fact that video was commissioned and made is defensible?

Enjoy the recession, proud leavers.

I will conform to your preference that I be ignorant here, and hold my hands up willingly and say I have no idea what conversations might have gone on with the production company, or at which specific point the objections were raised which mean the ad was not shown.

Do you?

The fact remains that the Leave campaign put out an equally racist poster, the day Jo Cox was gunned down in the street, and you don't have a problem with this?

It sounds as though you do think you have the answers though Louisa - so, pray tell!

Seek

I too found the bus poster morally reprehensible. It dehumanised refugees. But the fact that this ad was ever created, whether published or not, what does that say? It's equally horrific.

I have no idea what conversations might have gone on with the production company, or at which specific point the objections were raised which mean the ad was not shown.

I posted too soon!

Seek

My answer is that the EU are a bunch of racists and that is why they are so keen to keep their white trading block.

Yes, the production company did what they would normally do.

They would meet with the EU reps and talk about what they wanted the film to convey.

The production company would then come along and present various story boards and possibly short viedeo clips.

The EU reps would then choose the one they though best put across the message they wanted to be put across.

They chose this one because it conveyed their message perfectly. yes, they thought it was a good idea to sterotype non Europeans in this way.

It was put out there and then, when people were horrified it was withdrawn. Alas, too late.

Hope that Helps.

Are you seriously suggesting that the MP's death happened because of that poster? You need to give your head a bit of a wobble, although I do understand you are trying, not successfully, as it is transparent ,to deflect.

No, I'm suggesting that even a cunt like Farage might have thought it wasn't a good time to put the poster out. And that the toxic racism of the Leave campaign sits most uneasily with the murder.

You obviously know a lot about this particular advert though, and all the production processes and decisions which accompanied each stage of its conception, so I expect you're quite right about all of that. I'm sure lots and lots of the people like you who voted Leave because they hate the racist EU must be really unhappy about the increase in racist and xenophobic incidents in the UK in the last week, too - that must be hard for you to cope with

Hi Louisa - yes, that advert which the EU never used is deeply problematic. Do you think that might be why they didn't use it?

..... Yes, it was released.

It was as part of a viral marketing strategy, to engage younger people.

It was withdrawn extremely quickly after an immediate backlash, but that was too late as it had already been released by that point.

The fact remains that the Leave campaign put out an equally racist poster, the day Jo Cox was gunned down in the street, and you don't have a problem with this?

Seek, are you a politician.

You answer questions with questions.

Oooh!

Sarky flower proffering!

I don't think the MN flowers should be misused that way tbh - in a forum of limited emoji the MN flowers are a nice thing.

Seek Deflecting doesn't help: I imagine most of us can see what you are trying to do.

You voted to stay in a Racist organisation: how do you think they were going to 'tame ' all those races? A look from the superior European-as shown in the video? A dog whistle? or something more sinister.

I do wonder what you would have said if UKIP had put out that video: something tells me it wouldn't have been the same thing at all!

Anyway, you clearly know the video is wrong and racist. Loyalty to the EU has you chasing your tail looking for an excuse to excuse it.

You can't think of one and so try to deflect attention.

Anyway, you might be getting a bit overheated. After all for someone who likes to suggest that other posters use subtle language- you rather fall down a bit when you shout 'cunt' don't you think.

Oh stop - never heard any of you saying your issue with the EU was that it was racist until now! Indeed, wasn't one of the reasons we had to vote out that our women would get raped by brown men like in Cologne, according to MN leavers?

You've seized the 'racist organization' tack as a potentially productive one, and I can see you're really pleased with it, but it doesn't work.

Also, see this?

*The fact remains that the Leave campaign put out an equally racist poster, the day Jo Cox was gunned down in the street, and you don't have a problem with this?

Seek, are you a politician.*

That looks to me an awful lot like answering a question with a question, even if you forgot the question mark.

The deflecting here is, if anything, away from the racism of the Leave campaign and the racism on the streets now and toward an advert from 2012 which you're wheeling out like it's the last word. You've suddenly got all bothered about racism now, which was never mentioned in all the threads leading up to Brexit, and it's frankly unconvincing.

Indeed, wasn't one of the reasons we had to vote out that our women would get raped by brown men like in Cologne, according to MN leavers?

Not this MN leaver!

So, to clarify, racism is defensible if it's the 'right' sort of racism; that is, so long as it is racism 'for the greater good'?

I voted leave and am happy with my decision. This was the first time I was interested in having a say in the countries future. Even though there seems to be a lot of sour grapes from the remain camp I do feel once the new PM is in place and the country is happy with this then we can move forward positively together as an independent nation.

No, Mango - read again. I never said that advert was ok.

I wish I could remember the name of the thread about why one of the most important reasons to vote Leave was that to remain in the EU was to allow a Cologne-style attack to happen here. Women who voted remain were 'turkeys voting for Christmas' - because God knows we don't have a rape culture here all of our own!

What I also wish I could remember is any Leave voter ever once saying before Brexit that their issue with the EU was that it was racist. It's only now that this has come out, and only, it seems to me, as a response to the racism that has increasingly clearly both motivated and been mandated by the Leave vote.

I'm sure people were explaining earlier that their issue with the EU was that it was racist - and that, as much as they did feel concerned that racism was underpinning much of the Leave campaign, they felt that nonetheless they could sign up to this racism for the greater good of leaving the much more racist EU. I'm sure they were.

I did read somewhere before where a poster had said that about the cologne thing - iirc she was pretty much a lone voice though (although I could be wrong, I don't remember it well enough).

Wrt the racism in the EU prior to the ref, I had no idea that video existed until after tbh - but there were quite a few posters (me included) who said that they didn't like the 'whitewash' effect of the EU migration.

By that, I mean that because there was no way to control or guess EU migrant numbers, the only form of control was international migration.
Thus, although there was immigration & increased cultural diversity within the uk, it was predominantly white EU as opposed to a proper multi-cultural & racial mix.

This was mentioned over more than one thread, but was invariably shut down as a large dynamic of MN was remain.

Do you think the current climate is making it easy for any leave voter to speak out?

If I was rounded on, I may also say I regret it, when I don't.

Do you think if we had voted to remain, every single remain voter would have felt 100% happy or perhaps they may have felt mis givings?

I didn't expect anything to suddenly happen for the better its a longer term decision and I feel the 100% correct one.

By that, I mean that because there was no way to control or guess EU migrant numbers, the only form of control was international migration.
Thus, although there was immigration & increased cultural diversity within the uk, it was predominantly white EU as opposed to a proper multi-cultural & racial mix

MangoMoon I agree with this completely

They are racist: they even like to punish those who aren't crystal white. One only has to look at the way they treated Greece.

Why are you focusing on the lack of a question mark when you have no answer to the appalling racism of that video which was put out. Another deflecting tatic I suppose. Earlier, you complained about my English. Do you think you are sounding a bit silly now?

You certainly haven't condemned the video wholeheartedly: maybe you agree with it. I think the worse thing you said about it was that it was PROBLEMATIC!

I think they are an undemocratic racist organisation who seek to dominate other races , as they demonstrated in that video before they realised that they had shown their arse!

On what planet do you think it is ok to portray other races in that way?

I give up on you Seek, as you are more interested in yelling 'cunt' and complaining about fellow Mumsnetters' English. How do we know we are English?

Do you enjoy slapping down people for whom English may not be a first language or sneering if others may not have a good level of education.

Maybe that might be the reason why you won't condemn that racist filth. You probably think Europe will do a great job of leading us all stumbling blindly into the light.