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To ask if Leave voters would still vote the same way, knowing what they know now? And what people who didn't vote now feel?

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longestlurkerever · 25/06/2016 20:18

I think I'd find it easier to accept the result if I knew that the majority of the country were still happy with the decision to leave, now that they realise that the economic predictions were not scaremongering, that there really is no fallback plan for how to forge a new deal with the EU and now that the leave campaign appear to be backtracking on many of their claims.

No judgment, it's just that the decision is not binding yet. There are reports in the media of people regretting their vote to leave but I don't know how widespread a feeling that is.

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littledrummergirl · 25/06/2016 23:50

Did we ever come out of the 2008 recession? You wouldn't notice in my house, finances were shit then and on minimum wage they haven't got any better.
I read the five presidents report along with parliamentary reports going back five years on different aspects, I listened as I was told I will be £4000 a year worse offHmm, how interest rates will shoot up and we will all have no jobs, homes or NHS.

I repeatedly asked on here to be persuaded to vote stay and rather than being given solid reasons I was given opinion, rhetoric and insulted.

I even asked what the conservatives contigency plan was, if they had one and what they thought would happen if there is no contigency plan (I asked Angela in her web chat ). They didn't answer.

I looked at all of the leaflets and propaganda and searched up the facts as best as i could. I think I was pretty well informed.

I voted leave and I don't regret it.

Ouriana · 25/06/2016 23:54

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louisagradgrind · 25/06/2016 23:59

Voted to leave, as did most of the people I know and tonight we all had a celebratory supper! Delighted with the result and laughing at all the ninnies signing a petition.
Mind you, as they place so little value on democracy, no wonder they wanted to be led by the nose by a faceless organisation!
Think all this shite about zillions of people regretting their vote is just that..agenda driven shite!

Cheers!

bellysqueak · 26/06/2016 00:01

Ackvavit, I'm a happy leave voter.

I think there are several key benefits to leaving.

We will form some kind of trade deal with the EU, the terms are to be worked out and in that situation we will have to follow EU laws over goods and services that are provided to them. However, we can choose the product standards we maintain here separately and it means businesses in the UK selling domestically won't have to follow rules which our government deems to be unnecessary. This is a good thing!

The EU writes laws which go beyond goods and services, for example the reason we had VAT on tampons for years is because of the EU. They are involved in divorce law and a number of areas that aren't necessary. We will no longer have to follow these laws and the only people that write laws that are followed in the UK will be directly accountable and elected by the people of the UK. This is a good thing!

In terms of trade, when you're a member of the EU, trade deals tend to be formed for the entire EU. This is a long process because all member states have to agree and any one state can take issue with something as small as canned tomatoes which can halt a trade deal. These trade deals aren't necessarily in our best interests. We can now form deals tailored to our economy with whichever countries we want to and quicker. This means we are now a more outward looking nation than as a member of the EU because we now need to work with nations across the globe. This is a good thing!

We will still have a relationship with the EU. We will still have global influence as members of NATO, the UN Security council, the G8, G20, P5, OECD and the Commonwealth but we will also have our own vote in the World Trade Organisation. We will also have stronger links with a wider range of countries through the trade deals and other diplomatic links we will need to form which gives an even wider profile as a global power. This is a good thing!

A lot of people have questioned whether leaving the EU will produce a bonfire of workers rights but they're wrong. For a start we are one of the most forward looking nations in introducing workers rights and had many of them in place before we joined. These have been enhanced by the EU, but the UK government has also enhanced the minimum requirements set out by the EU when they were implemented here. Beyond the fact that we're a pretty liberal country that cares for our citizens (NHS case in point) it would be political suicide for any party to get rid of those rights and we'd be able to vote them out in the next election. This is a good thing!

I would have voted for remain if the EU was capable of reform but it is not because of the requirement that each member state would have to have a referendum on any treaty change (required for serious reform) and they're too afraid of the result (like yesterday) if they did. (This is why they waste millions moving the EU parliament between Strasbourg and Brussels regularly.) I also believe that the EU isn't all that great as a force for good in the world, the rise of euroscepticism shows that ordinary folk don't feel like it's working for them (some of this could be blamed on national governments but not all) It hasn't dealt well with crises in Russia and Ukraine and with immigration - and I don't mean that people are coming from Syria, Libya etc. I mean that the EU doesn't support Greece and Italy well in dealing with the numbers and that they made a deal with a nation with a highly questionable regime, Turkey, to remove the problem of immigration for the EU but without considering how Turkey would deal with it as long as it's not our problem any more. This is a bad thing!

Sorry its a long one but its a complicated issue and I could go on further. But outlined above is why I chose leave and not one of those points is a problem with immigrants coming to the UK.

lacurandera · 26/06/2016 00:03

100% Yes. Excellent result. Suck it up remainers!

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 00:12

Have seen 'you are inward looking' levelled against Leavers a few times now, including on this thread.

I disagree - I m definitely an 'outward looking' person, and a large part of my optimism is based on that.

Why do Remainers think that voting to Leave is 'inward looking'?
(Genuine question, not meant in a goady way).

crossroads3 · 26/06/2016 00:20

Why do Remainers think that voting to Leave is 'inward looking'?

IMO because of the anti immigrant rhetoric spouted by some people.

Because it is not clear how we will be outward looking on the world stage, and for that we apparently had to give up our unique bond with the 27 countries closest to us.

There is no plan for this other than the ramblings of some untrustworthy opportunistic politicians.

Lighteningirll · 26/06/2016 00:20

Voted leave happy with it and the sky still seems to be in place the economic predictions WERE scaremongering. Wine for Salene

CommanderShepard · 26/06/2016 00:21

I am utterly flabbergasted by this attitude of "I voted Leave and I don't have to explain it to you". Because, um, that was the majority vote and I personally have no idea how you could possibly have arrived at that conclusion while still claiming you researched your position and you're not xenophobic, and I also have no idea what your plans or thoughts are to get us through the next couple of years on the back of S&P and Moodys downgrades, the pound at a value not seen since I was a toddler and our fall to sixth largest economy.

What's the plan stan?

louisagradgrind · 26/06/2016 00:25

At our party, we all painted our necks red; wore knotted handkerchiefs on our heads; enjoyed jellied eels; raised a glass to Her Maj; grunted in monosyllables; rode up and down on a stair lift; threw a few old fridges into the front garden and tried to find France on a map. It were right good.

How very different to the intellectual home life of our betters who voted to remain but there you have it.

Ouriana · 26/06/2016 00:26

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loobyloo1234 · 26/06/2016 00:27

I am utterly flabbergasted by this attitude of "I voted Leave and I don't have to explain it to you".

We answered the OP's question

mrsclooneytoyou · 26/06/2016 00:28

I haven't got time to discuss why I voted leave as I am to busy explaining to people that I am not a uneducated, benefits claiming, racist oaf.

I have friends who voted remain that have not reacted with such outrageous statements that are being spouted on social media.

As I said previously, I have grips to spare for those that have lost theirs

crossroads3 · 26/06/2016 00:30

Glad you enjoyed your party louisa Grin.

Back to mango's question regarding being inward looking, I guess that I personally really liked being a citizen of the UK but also of something much bigger - the EU. It will now be UK citizenship only and who knows Scotland may soon become independent as a direct result of what happened on Friday. What will the UK look like then Sad? There will be big questions over Northern Ireland as well.

AnnaForbes · 26/06/2016 00:39

Louisa Grin

Op, I voted leave and am certain I made the right decision.The EU showed itself to be incapable of reform so brexit was the only choice.

bellysqueak · 26/06/2016 00:41

CommanderShepard, you don't sound particularly well informed and this:

"I personally have no idea how you could possibly have arrived at that conclusion while still claiming you researched your position and you're not xenophobic"

sounds like you're as one dimensional as the leavers who voted just because of immigration. It's really easy to be an ignorant remain voter who doesn't do any research either, it's just you're not as easy to label negatively because your decision is less controversial.

"I also have no idea what your plans or thoughts are to get us through the next couple of years on the back of S&P and Moodys downgrades, the pound at a value not seen since I was a toddler and our fall to sixth largest economy. What's the plan stan?"

The Bank of England has had over a year to prepare for this referendum with the full understanding it may result in a leave vote. This means they are doing what they need to do to steady the markets with £250 bn in reserves, the potential return of QE and the potential for cuts in interest rates. This is evidenced by the fact that although the pound took an almighty drop, the FTSE 100 actually finished the week up on where it started on Monday! This is an example of some confidence in the market.

The plan is now to not rush, but to find an orderly method to enter negotiations with the EU. This means not triggering article 50 immediately and entering informal discussions first (even though some European ministers would like us to rush so it can be used as a political football in German and French presidential elections next year). Then probably when there's a clearer idea of what deal may be reached it will be triggered and the actual work done. This is a very similar process to Cameron's crap renegotation with the EU but will hopefully be better executed.

Also, we have not fallen to the 6th largest economy over night.

Isetan · 26/06/2016 00:44

It's far to early to ask the question but I suspect that many who voted leave will be in for a shock when the negotiations end and we're left with similar rules and obligations but less influence - a lot of pain for not a lot of gain.

RortyCrankle · 26/06/2016 00:45

louisagradgrind
At our party, we all painted our necks red; wore knotted handkerchiefs on our heads; enjoyed jellied eels; raised a glass to Her Maj; grunted in monosyllables; rode up and down on a stair lift; threw a few old fridges into the front garden and tried to find France on a map. It were right good. How very different to the intellectual home life of our betters who voted to remain but there you have it.

haha nice one Grin

BMW6 · 26/06/2016 00:47

commandershepard
I refer you to my previous posts and the 945,069 other posts on multiple threads both before and after the vote that explain why each of us voted out.
You may find the "best" ones in the Euro referendum 2016 thread in the Other section of Mumsnet.

Don't worry if you forget this info again and repost your query - I can always repeat this reply.

HTH

flappingbingowings · 26/06/2016 00:48

This is an absolute disaster. It is turning the back on the progressive politics of the last 60 years, to inward looking self interest. For those that that voted leave - those in the de-industrialised north and rural south, it is not self interest. It is suicide. We will isolate ourselves, the economy will stagnate, taxes will go up, public serves will be poorer. The demagogues who encouraged this couldn't give a shit - they will still have their MP's pension / newspaper column /etc. The rest will still wonder where their job in the steel works/coal mine/ship yard went.

Ouriana · 26/06/2016 00:50

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gingerboy1912 · 26/06/2016 00:52

It's far to early to ask the question but I suspect that many who voted leave will be in for a shock when the negotiations end and we're left with similar rules and obligations but less influence - a lot of pain for not a lot of gain.

If this turns out to be the case then once again our government would of fucked up and let us all down badly. Why offer the referendum if they can't handle the outcome. Why offer the referendum and then try to scare and bully people into voting remain. What was the fucking point of it all. Not to mention the huge waste of tax payers money spent on the campaign.

louisagradgrind · 26/06/2016 00:56

I think, Flapping, I may be able to resolve their sense of wonder: leave voter though I am and thus have to approach any question from an inferior intellect.

Jobs in the steel works/coal mine/ ship yard have not been thriving up to this point so this will not be a new riddle to them.

They may also not want to scratch their heads about poorer public services as, they will already have noticed that they are pretty poor right now

I would imagine this sorry state of affairs helped to secure victory on Thursday.

BMW6 · 26/06/2016 00:59

Isetan
As always some will be satisfied, some less so, some very dissatisfied.
Not just the Public, but Politicians from all sides too.

There is no "one size fits all" - if there is a will to change the way things are then people will lobby and vote in GE's to put in Government the people who MAY achieve the stated objectives.

You know - like any other issue - constant evolution. Not much is set in stone unless absolutely everyone agrees to it.

flappingbingowings · 26/06/2016 01:06

louisagradgrind, you misunderstand my point. Brexit will make all these things worse. Public service are now poor. They will get worse. The jobs that have been lost will not return. Politics and politicians have failed those that globalisation have left behind. But voting brexit will make it all worse

I don't understand your point about intellect, I didn't comment on that