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To ask if Leave voters would still vote the same way, knowing what they know now? And what people who didn't vote now feel?

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longestlurkerever · 25/06/2016 20:18

I think I'd find it easier to accept the result if I knew that the majority of the country were still happy with the decision to leave, now that they realise that the economic predictions were not scaremongering, that there really is no fallback plan for how to forge a new deal with the EU and now that the leave campaign appear to be backtracking on many of their claims.

No judgment, it's just that the decision is not binding yet. There are reports in the media of people regretting their vote to leave but I don't know how widespread a feeling that is.

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RepentAtLeisure · 25/06/2016 22:47

Isn't it too early to say? There's an atmosphere of 'See? It's all fine!' but we're a couple of days in and the EU leaving process hasn't even begun yet.

I have a feeling the shit won't really start to hit the fan until we have a new PM in October.

But this will be a recurring question, I'm sure. In a year, five years, ten, people will still be asking Leavers 'Do you regret it now?'

Hadenoughoftumble · 25/06/2016 22:52

I voted remain.

I completely accept the outcome because that is democracy in action! I have no desire to be hateful or bitter towards anyone because everyone had the right to vote in any way they wished.

But I am scared. Very scared. We are a very low income family with a disabled child who relies heavily on the nhs and another child on the way. We rely on tax credits and really have to budget our money. I'm scared that we won't survive the predicted recession and what that will mean for us. When people say they voted for a better future- I'm not sure what that means exactly? So I'm just going to take each day as it comes because the world is still turning and things still need to get done!

calli335 · 25/06/2016 22:53

Leavers might also be saying to remainers 'aren't you glad that we voted out?!'

loobyloo1234 · 25/06/2016 22:54

I voted Leave and would do the same again. Haven't regretted my decision at all. I voted Leave for the right reasons - and for the 2nd day running, I'm still not uneducated/ignorant/xenophobic/racist despite how Remainers have tried to make us feel

Ackvavit · 25/06/2016 22:55

Mrs Clooney - you haven't wrecked my life. Thankfully life for me and my family will go on. What irritates me is that the exit voters who have been wheeled out have a one layer approach to the vote. Yes Eastern Europeans came and worked harder in the fruit picking fields for less money , for longer hours, and didn't moan. So as employers the local farmers took on tha hard workin people of Europe. If they cannot stay without a visa, bloke from the job centre who really has never had a proper job because it interferes with his booze/weed habit will need to get up and fill the gaps. I am angry because, not you perhaps, so many exit votes have voted for the CAMPAIGN of big numbers, which we were warned about very sensibly by all economic editors and the small numbers, again by the economists. I respect democracy. I respect the views of everyone if they have been taken from honest campaigning .

MangoMoon · 25/06/2016 23:01

Voted Leave, would do so again.

Like Salene earlier in the thread my vote was based on the long term.

We've a bumpy time ahead, but this was expected - if people keep calm and pull together, with a positive approach, then it will be far easier & less painful.

BurnTheBlackSuit · 25/06/2016 23:10

Voted leave. Would again.

Young with degree and not racist

user1466802224 · 25/06/2016 23:11

I don't know anything now that I didn't know before. I did my own research (don't have a TV, don't use social media, so was not exposed to more outlandish claims. Can honestly say I never once saw Nigel Farage/other Brexit people talking about the referendum). Am not dumb (have a Phd, have published widely in my field) and abhor racism (have mixed heritage DC). Made my own mind up. Won't lie; some of the final detail (about effects on stock markets etc) was difficult to understand but, on balance, decided 'out' was better in long term (but will hurt short term). Stand to lose out myself (work in a heavily EU-funded field) but was thinking longer term. Am convinced that the EU will implode at some point. Hate the sneery, sanctimonious attitude to leavers and anybody else questioning the orthodoxy. Colleagues all are 'In' and vocal about anybody who is 'out'. Colleagues all claim to be tolerant etc people, but actually are profoundly illiberal and hold working classes in contempt.

PumpkinPies38 · 25/06/2016 23:12

Yes I would because I believe it's in the country's best interests and I won't be bullied by leave voters telling me I'm every swear word under the sun for voting leave.

peachpudding · 25/06/2016 23:13

I voted leave and am happy with the decision, I feel positive about the future.

AlpacaLypse · 25/06/2016 23:17

I'm another middle class graduate Leave. I like the idea of European Union - but not the way it has been constructed and foisted on us. And not just 'us' speaking of the United Kingdom. I have family and friends across the continent who are rather interested in our reaction and how to handle the situation moving forward. Watch this space... Denmark, Netherlands and Catalonia!

AlpacaLypse · 25/06/2016 23:18

Ooo and I utterly forgot the fed up French cousin! Sorry...

Littlemisslovesspiders · 25/06/2016 23:21

Voted leave and would again

kalidasa · 25/06/2016 23:22

But we don't know anything yet about the effects of the decision. The fact that the currency markets reacted to an unexpected result is totally unremarkable, it doesn't mean anything either way in terms of the longer term economic impact. I personally think the long term effects will be minimal and that one way or another a deal will be done which ultimately produces a very similar position in terms of trade, movement of people, educational collaboration and so on. I think the only guaranteed significant effects will be on domestic politics, and there I think it is simply impossible to predict. (Though I think it is also moderately likely that the EU more broadly unravels faster than it would otherwise have done. Obviously whether that's a pro or con depends on your starting position.)

kalidasa · 25/06/2016 23:26

User146 I so agree. I am also in academia and have been truly shocked by the class hatred/loathing of those who are less educated on display in the last two days.

PattyPenguin · 25/06/2016 23:26

Catalonia doesn't want to leave the EU. It wants to be in the EU as an independent member state.

It's helpfully explained here in English
presidencia.gencat.cat/web/.content/ambits_actuacio/consells_assessors/catn/informes_publicats/inf_6_angles.pdf

QuiteLikely5 · 25/06/2016 23:26

There is going to be no major changes to our lives! Fgs the scaremongering is ridiculous on MN

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/martin-lewis-money-saving-expert-lehman-brexit-homeowners-savers-uk-trade?client=safari#

user1466802224 · 25/06/2016 23:32

kalidasa, it turns my stomach tbh. Academia is supposed to be open-minded, prepared to take risks etc. Leavers have been effectively shut down in my field (I got an email yesterday sent to everyone in my dept with a link to that blasted petition). And, yes, the contempt for the WCs. Couched in acceptable terminology ('excluded', 'marginalised') but contempt nonetheless. I will just keep my head down and keep schtum but it does make my blood boil.

RortyCrankle · 25/06/2016 23:33

I voted Leave. I would vote the same way if there was another referendum tomorrow and am extremely happy with the result.

FunnysInLaJardin · 25/06/2016 23:33

yes, not everyone made it through the 2008 crash. I know of one man who lost his mind, another who died of a heart attack which was directly related to the economic situation and another woman who ended up in prison as a direct result.

Glibly thinking we can just ride through another recession is a pretty poor response to the Leave critics. Some of us might not, but thanks for putting us at risk of that Angry

crossroads3 · 25/06/2016 23:36

We've a bumpy time ahead, but this was expected - if people keep calm and pull together, with a positive approach, then it will be far easier & less painful.

What exactly is there to pull together for Sad? Why do we have to accept a bumpy time - what will be better after the bumpy time?

Boris Johnson as PM.
An even more right wing government with no mandate.
The massive admin costs of our disentangling from the EU.
Huge uncertainty.

Job loss.

Relocation of key businesses to the continent.
Loss of our European identity and citizenship.
Recession.
No automatic right to live work and retire in the EU.
A more inward looking country.
Racist attacks on the rise.

Why should we pull together for the above?

And I agree with the poster who says that the EU has been scapegoated.

crossroads3 · 25/06/2016 23:38

(And used as a means to an end by some self serving ambitious politicians).

Chattymummyhere · 25/06/2016 23:44

Voted leave and would do again and I'm under 30 Shock

gingerboy1912 · 25/06/2016 23:44

I voted leave and I would again. But am shocked at the nastiness and hostility that leavers are experiencing on social media

maninawomansworld01 · 25/06/2016 23:50

I voted leave and I would vote leave again tomorrow.
It is nowhere near as bad as the doomsters would have us believe and if you look at the current value of the pound it is has rallied and is pretty much the same as it was last February, the BBC didn't report that!

That is not to say that I am at all happy with the situation though. I do not want to be ostracised from Europe, I think that a close relationship with our neighbours is a great thing but for me it had crossed the line in to meddling in our affairs.
When David Cameron tried to negotiate before the referendum they simply didn't believe we would vote to leave so they gave him a terrible, pathetic 'deal', they called our bluff!

Fast forward to Friday morning....
They went 'oh holy shit what has happened, this is awful??'

We as a country thought something along the same lines (even me and I voted out).

It should never have come to this in the first place. I didn't want to come out of Europe but they point blank refused to reform so we had no choice.

I firmly believe that in the long run we will be better off, although the next few years may be bumpy. If the vote was a lot more emphatic then I'd feel more confident that we could pull together as a nation, get through it and come out the other side stronger and independent. Unfortunately though, I fear the divisions will cause resentment to fester. Every time something bad happens that might be attributable to the vote in some small way , there will just be more anger.