To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

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Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Those thinking this is a piss take or trolling effort, I wouldn't be so sure. OP has been around a while and has been posting sympathetic stuff about UKIP and since 2015. If this is a deception, it's been a while in the making. I'm rather afraid this is genuine. She's not going to be the only person reacting like this when it comes out, as it probably will, that we'll be keeping free movement after all. I'd laugh, but it's not at all funny is it?

Ffs leavers please responsibility for your own actions.

Nice response to someone facing a life changing decision mamamea

OP..what did you THINK would happen? We have always required immigration to keep services going. That isn't going to change just because we are no longer part of the EU.

I missed the part where you said you were a vocal leave supporter on here. Just fuck off, fuck the fuck off.

If you'd done a briefest bit of research into Leaves claims you would know, like millions of other people knew, that they all fell down. Well let's face it, they were lies. Designed to manipulate people like you op, who don't engage your brain.

It's clear you know how to use the Internet. Perhaps you were one of the Brits googling "what is the eu?" After the result?

Well done.

Am I the only person fucked off by the fuckers who voted leave and our now regretting it?

mamamea, how on earth can you say that pjsofpurple's statement of intent is based on nothing. Don't you think she knows rather more about her personal circumstances than you do?

You really don't seem to have got it. If we leave the EU, the effect on jobs from the EU is not a matter for "proposals": it's a matter of hard economic fact. Many large businesses are already taking steps to move their bases out of the EU. Our trading arrangements with the EU will change, it's not a proposal. People's jobs will disappear.

Unless of course you are just hoping that the government just won't invoke Article 50 at all, in which case by all means come out and say so.

2rebecca

Many poor poorly educated people have been far more affected by cheap EU immigrants than wealthy educated people. I'm not surprised they are fighting back. A lot of strongly Brexit areas were areas with low levels of immigration.

Yes EU immigrants pay tax but we can't instantly summon up more GPs and schools and houses for them when we have no idea how many people are coming. GP and school and housing pressures have a lot more to do with government cuts than with EU nationals.

Completely agree with bobochic and in a way I think, rather than the huge disagreements between the leave and remain sides/what was and wasn't said/lies/ bad campaigning allegations etc etc that EVERYBODY on both sides was massively let down by the fact this referendum was allowed to go ahead

I ignored both campaigns and looked up the laws and the possibilities after exit. (Because they are only possibilities). Both campaigns were full of what can conservatively be described as mis information, and both ignored the bits they didn't like.

I also ignored whoever supported either side. I based my decision on the facts I could find. Which is why it was so tricky.

yes, if we go Iceland/Norway/Lichtenstein then freedom of movement is unaffected. So why are the Remainers screaming about it so much?

I cannot believe anyone is shocked at Farage backtracking on the NHS
He is very right wing and gas said in the past he would prefer privatised and paid for services
The Tory party have had a lurch to the right
A basic understanding of politics will tell you the right do not agree ideologically with state funded services
Yet people remain shocked when it happens

Me too lem.

I'm off to a party now and I'm practising saying "gosh so how do you feel about the Leave MP's saying that free movement of people in between Europe and WhateverTheFuckWeWillBeCalledIfScotlandLeave is absolutely part of their planned new deal?" And "how do you feel about Farage admitting the whole £350ish million EU cost claim was a lie and they knew it?"

Mn has taught me to be more dignified. So if I'm unfortunate enough to converse with a Leaver tonight I'm prepared.

I really don't want to socialise tonight.

If you had any common sense or intelligence op you would only have had to look at the people vocally supporting the Leave campaign and pause for a few moments to think about whether these were the sort of people you would want to be proud to share you views with...

So poor you, you did something monumentally stupid and now you feel a bit scared and sorry. Boo hoo. Thanks a lot.

It's a shame there wasn't an independent referee that could have monitored both sides to make sure the truth was being told and that the emotion had been dialled down.

It felt too much like an MMA fight.

It's depressing to see the scales falling from people's eyes now it's too late.

yes, if we go Iceland/Norway/Lichtenstein then freedom of movement is unaffected. So why are the Remainers screaming about it so much

Because there's no guarantee it will happen and if it does we will get it on much worse terms than we currently enjoy, and the economic turmoil until we know exactly what the future looks like is pretty bad for everyone but hedge fund managers?

Yeah but apart from that...

mamamea

No, it's not an empty threat. I am really planning to leave because I do not want to live somewhere where I am not wanted, nor do I want to be forced to obtain a British passport. My DH is more than willing to quit a well paid job in British manufacturing, (although that might not even be a secure job now) and take on a European nationality.

We are are both very hard-working and employable, both from working class origins, and we have no doubts that life will be better back home, where I have a large support network of friends and family and my "foreign" DH will be welcomed with opened arms.

Oh for goodness sake, stop whining and grow up OP. All the information was there before the referendum. It's no one's fault but your own that you paid no attention to it until after the fact.

All these bloody people with Brexit regret (Regrexit?) that keep popping up on MN are really irritating. Look to the future, start working hard with the rest of us to make it as good as we possibly can. No going back now.

This information wasn't hidden - a bit of research would have turned it up. YABU.

Special, are you serious? I think perhaps the people who supported remain might be a tad upset that if we end up with freedom of movement in order to secure trade agreements what exactly was the fucking point of this whole fucking circus other than to makes into a reactionary, backward looking, insular joke in the eyes of most of the rest of the world / Europe... for starters. FFS.

Rebecca2014 you are an absolute fool.

If the juxtaposed UK controls fall as a result of BREXIT, the UK will return to 100,000 migrants coming easily to the UK each year and claiming asylum, the majority of whom are 20-30 male and no skilled. Currently levels around 25,000, reduced by juxtaposed controls and finally the Home Office getting a small grip on asylum application appeals.

yes, if we go Iceland/Norway/Lichtenstein then freedom of movement is unaffected. So why are the Remainers screaming about it so much?

Because my strong impression was that a lot of Leavers voted thus under the impression that we would be able to stop free movement from within the EU. Encouraged as they were to think so by Farage and the official campaign, the latter of which has since backed down and tried to wriggle out of it.

I'm actually not fucked off at the people who voted Leave and are now regretting it. I'm absolutely livid at the fuckers who lied to them. And there was lie after lie after lie - the NHS thing, the "the economy will be fine" thing, the "our borders will be secure" bollocks - when they bloody knew it wouldn't be. You can argue that yes, they should have checked the facts and to an extent that's true but when you have newspapers and charismatic individuals lying to you on a daily basis for months, you can't be entirely blamed for assuming the facts were true.

Tut tut.

Hook. Line. Sinker.

I'm proud to live in a democratic country where regardlessof race income or gender I am allowed to vote. Some of the views I read on here belong in the dark ages. Someone even said on here you should only be allowed to vote if you are degree educated ffs. It shows what small minded snobbery comes from some of the remain voters on here

I am really planning to leave because I do not want to live somewhere where I am not wanted,

Yes! That's exactly it, Pjsofpurple. If I/we leave, that will be the main reason. I have lived here for more than 25 years and, apart from a couple of isolated incidents, have always felt welcome. Now I feel like half the population think I shouldn't be here (I know it's not really half the population, but a sizeable proportion). I'm looking at my neighbours, wondering which ones think I should 'go home'.

It's a crap feeling.