Remainers have become undemocratic, desperate & embarrassing

[BritBrit]

With a petition being launched by remainers for a 2nd EU referendum & getting 1.5 million signatures already is this not a sign remainers have a total lack of respect for UK democracy and are getting desperate. Leave won on a high turnout, should remainers just accept the democratic will of British voters & work for the best Brexit possible?

I totally disagree we remainders need to make as much noise as possible.

This is the time for asking serious questions about this. A government decided because of their own inter fighting, with no real impetus from the populace other than some fruit cakes, to hold a referendum with no real safeguards such as a sensible question or sensible voting criteria (70/30 - 60/40 anyone)

Poll tax anyone.

This is the start of a conversation, how can it be the end?? What it tells us that lack of manufacturing, jobs, housing in depressed area of the country is a problem and our idiotic voting system has allowed these areas to be forgotten. That is what the referendum tells us, not that we leave the EU.

buffalo we really don't have breathing space. The EU is pushing for a swift and brutal divorce to discourage others.

So what did Farage think about the chances of a second referendum?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

Oh...

The EU isn't pushing for a swift resolution to the situation to punish anyone. Its doing so because the uncertainty of it all is detrimental to their economies too, essentially we've made a decision which effects the entire community, we need to get on with it if we're going to go.

You have a couple of weeks cooling off period when you buy a phone or sons insurance. If people need some time to reflect on committing £25 a month to a two-year phone contract, why wouldn't they want time to reflect on the realities of a decision that will affect them forever?

I also love the idea that BritBrit finds anything embarrassing.

Yes OP, it is getting undemocratic, desperate and embarrassing.

On a related note, the ageism now showing its face is appalling. Those pesky almost-dead old people having the nerve to outvote young people, eh?

No, the petition is democratic, sorry.

And the ageism yes, is bad. But if you are under 50 you voted in and have the most to lose of coming out.

It was a very small majority, Farage even said prior to the referendum that a 4% majority the other way would leave unfinished business.

Also lots and lots of people weren't really voting on euro issues, it was noted by several people reporting from polling stations that a significant minority were stating that they were kicking out at the establishment.

Buy popcorn.

Soon they'll realise that they have lost and pipe down. At this point it will be far less entertaining.

I was cackling with laughter earlier seeing luvvies demanding another referendum.

I think they should have one too, in 41 years time. :)

I'm still laughing at you Spinflight.

Farage said that a small majority win for remain would leave "unfinished business".

There are people all over the radio and newspapers saying that they didn't vote on EU issues but as a "protest" vote.

The leave crowd came out with all the "anti democratic" rhetoric and now you are complaining about people using a democratic right?

This isn't a large majority win.

I don't know if this has been mentioned but a Leave supporter actually started it in case they lost
m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39?edition=uk&ncid=fcbklnkukhpmg00000001

Yes Britbrit the petition was started by a leaver.

Remainers are undemocratic because a leaver started a petition to get a second referendum if the result didn't go their way?

Interesting logic.

It does make it more tempting to sign the petition though!

this not a sign remainers have a total lack of respect for UK democracy and are getting desperate. Leave won on a high turnout, should remainers just accept the democratic will of British voters & work for the best Brexit possible

No, its a sign that you can't let the stupid ruin your country without at least trying to do something to help it.
Half the people signing it are LEave voters anyway, waking up to the fact that the promises they voted on were all lies.

The public can sometimes be manipulated into appalling outcomes masquerading as democracy (e.g. Hitler - yes I know, automatically lose the debate if you mention Hitler blah blah but he was democratically elected).

The public can sometimes make silly decisions when things are put to a public vote that shouldn't be (Boaty McBoatface, lol)

The will of the people doesn't always have to be respected just because it's the will of the people.

I'm not saying that either of those two situations are comparable to what we have here, but as a general comment on democracy, a public vote isn't some shining beacon of awesomeness that should never be criticised, or indeed overturned.

There's a couple of points to be made here but I think the most important is this: what's the harm in double checking the result? It is a permanent thing. Wouldn't it be better to be sure?
It's not I democratic to hold another vote. It isn't unusual for countries holding important referendums to vote twice.
I'd like to see a new vote, where the result was binding, not run like a general election, with votes for 16-18 year old and much clearer information. That's how it should have been in the first place.

Also, that petition now has 3.1 million signatures. That's getting to be quite a substantial number. It is the largest number of signatures ever on a petition on the government website. Should we ignore it?

Leavers can't expect Remainers to see people on Twitter, on mumsnet, on facebook, on the news and in the street saying 'oh I regret it now ' and be OK with it.

Leavers can't expect Remainers to look at the TV and see the Tory party in chaos, the Labour Party in chaos, no Prime Minister, Boris playing cricket and Gove in hiding and be ok with it.

If Leave is so fucking great, why is no one stepping up and owning it?

Interesting to note that the petition was started a month ago by a Leave campaigner who was certain the result would be Remain. Worth considering before slinging about words like 'undemocratic desperate and embarrassing'

Well I would argue that starting a petition to change the rules of the referendum BEFORE it has taken place is perfectly acceptable.

This petition had been around for quite some time before this so where were all of you then.

It was no surprise it was a close result, everyone knew it would be a close result and there was possibility Brexit would win. This hardly caught any of you with your pants down.

Why the hell weren't you out campaigning to make this referendum fair before the bloody thing happened?

Oh that's right, because you were sure it was going to be a close win in YOUR favour so we're quite happy to leave it.

Trying to change the rules after its happened makes you look petulant and a bit dim.

(Also it's already been discussed at length that there are non UK residents, people that aren't eligible to vote and people spamming signatures. How many of those signing are using it as a protest at not being given the chance to vote?)

Also, that petition now has 3.1 million signatures. That's getting to be quite a substantial number. It is the largest number of signatures ever on a petition on the government website. Should we ignore it?

How many of those 3.1m are genuinely people who voted Leave and now want to change their vote?

According to the data, there are 4396 signatures from Gibraltar. Only something like 823 Gibraltarians voted Leave. That theoretically means there are something like 3500 Gibraltarians who voted Remain who would now like the opportunity to change their votes.

City of London and Westminster currently showing nearly 45,000 signatures. Only about 25,000 voted Leave. Even assuming all 25,000 want a rerun, who are the other 20,000?

There are nearly 25,000 signatures from North Korea. I don't think they were all over here voting Leave on Thursday.

Flavia the signatures from North Korea are most likely from English people using a VPN. Just because your connection says you are somewhere it doesn't mean you are. Mine says I'm in Korea because I use a proxy.

Remainers are signing not because they want to change their vote, but the result.

North Korea? You almost had me with your fake facts.

As it stands there is a momentous decision, that affects everyone, which has been made by a very slim majority.

I say again: this is not like a general election. There needs to be a clear mandate and that's not what we have at the moment.

Are you afraid that if we re-run the vote then Remain will get a clear mandate now that people are more aware what they are voting for? Once we leave there is no going back. I say again, what is wrong with checking that this is actually what they country wants before we do it?