To be apppalled by the remain camp attitude

[Rebecca2014]

On my FB feed, social media, TV we are being berated for voting leave, we are being called racist, thick, uneducated, stupid, poor, peasants, benefit scroungers...the list goes on. There is even an petition now to have another referendum because obviously the leave camp know absolutely nothing.

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy? why does it only run one way? Yet you cheer at this act of aggression.

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

Erm no I can't actually Bertrand as I have stated many times on this thread, I voted remain and am disappointed with the result.

In my view 'take back control' is propaganda spouted to entice disaffected voters to go against our leaders/experts and it has worked...I think the reasons for voting leave are very binary-they either affect you or don't, there is not really a lot in between which is why we are so polarised.

I think there are a small minority of leavers who voted on principle to leave and believe they are moving away from the 'undemocratic' EU.

I think there are a number of older voters who are pissed off that what they thought they were voting for in the 70s was not what they got.

And finally, I think there is a larger group of people who are feeling the pinch due to the ongoing austerity and, rightly or wrongly place the blame on free movement of EU citizens who they perceive to have clogged up the NHS/education/benefits system. I'm not saying they are right but if they perceive their inability to get a GP appointment/school place/council house is due to immigration and they think leaving the EU would remedy that, I understand their reasoning.

I don't agree with it...but that's easy for me to say, being well educated, with private health are and only a very small chance of needing to use the state school system.

I think we should be doing more to engage the disaffected, address the immigration myth and look after those at the shitty end of the stick. So no, I can't answer your question

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Guess what, I actually understand the markets very well. And one thing I have noticed over the years is that the markets hate uncertainty (apart from the speculators who don't care about anything but their bottom line) and we are in for a long period of uncertainty.

Who is least able to protect themselves from this uncertainty? Ordinary working people who have mortgages and defined contribution pension plans. I wouldn't bet on interest rates staying low or stock market performance stabilising for a while.

By the way, that view is based on a hugely unscientific polling method I like to refer to as 'speaking to people I know'

I am surprised that brexiters expect the remain supporters to just pipe down

Especially as we all know they had their 'pencil votes rubbed out - FIX!' argument ready to go before the ballots were even in...

Everything I've had across my desk today (through work) suggests that interest rates will rise. I'm not personally impacted by that in the immediate term as I have a fixed mortgage that will last till I no longer have a mortgage. If interest rates do go up, while that will help stabilise the pound it will cause real problems for all those with mortgages which aren't fixed but which were taken out during the period of incredibly low rates we have been living through since the contagion.

the definition of democracy is not disenfranchising the people you have happily taken taxes off for years.

the definition of democracy is not disenfranchising the British people who have lived abroad too long and caught the furrin

the definition of democracy is not disenfranchising the voters who lived abroad and could vote but were not sent their ballots.

The contagion uhtred?

This has been found to be factually accurate by researchers

Nonsense! They are going by assumed demographics because nobody knows how many GCSEs, A Levels, degrees voters have. They don't even know the voters' job.

But they do know how many people went on to higher education in the 50s and 60s, which was substantially fewer than today. So given that older voters (apparently) tended to vote leave, it's not an unreasonable assumption that they will be less educated. ( I am in my sixties with a degree but despite being a Pensioner I voted to Remain.)

I am personally angry that Cameron called a Referendum on such an important issue just to deal with splits in the Tory party. I am glad he's going, but dread to think who we might get next. In fact a moderate pro Remain candidate might do a better job of uniting the party.

Uh, oh interesting, some media have mentioned negative interest rates.

MrsChris, it's nice to hear you on MN today.

Sorry, MrsCP- wrong person!

I think one of the problem that the "leave" people has is the deeply unsavory nature of many prominent Leave campaigners, and the frankly ignorant opinions that Leavers seem to express when they are interviewed on the media. I am sure there are plenty of civlilsed, thoughtful, logical Leavers, but they seem to be keeping themselves pretty well hidden. And Farage's first victory speech in the early hours was utterly repellent. One of those things that once heard, you can't unhear, however much you want to.

toomuch do we know each other? Or is it just my refreshing moderation?

Voted remain in the end, but was wobbling right up until the ballot on in or out; very confusing from both sides.

The situation on Facebook and social media is ridiculous. So many DIY politicians! If you believed in it that much, why weren't you out there campaigning? Would have been better than Gordon Brown fronting the whole thing with Jeremy Corbyn, notice Brown has been awfully quiet

The FTSE has closed higher today than it did last week. The pound against the dollar is 1% below what it was 4 months ago . Lots of sensationalist headlines at the moment, and lots of hysteria. The same 'but it's not fair!' Attitude happened at the last general election too.

As I say, I ended up voting remain; not that it matters now. Let's just get on with it and see what they have to say on Monday morning. This would never have even gone to a refurendum if it was going to destroy the country, otherwise they'd be having a refurendum on using nukes against ISIS.

We need to calm down.

And Farage's first victory speech in the early hours was utterly repellent.

Indeed so, when he went on about Leave winning 'without a shot being fired' (his exact words) when only a few days ago we had an MP murdered. Absolutely disgraceful.

Protesters are allowed to rant, Rebecca. That is democracy. They can think people are pig ignorant, or careerist twats, or racists, or idiots if they want to.

where you've travelled to? Tell me you're not being serious, please?

Not entirely, that would be facile.

But I was interested by the utter disinterest in the cultural aspects of 'being European', complete lack of language skills or desire to actually interact, in mainland Europe, with her ordinary counterparts.

It was a purely financial upset. I wondered whether that was representative of the majority of Remain?

That's all.

MrsPratt - yes. Thats what people who work in my subsector of financial services call it. I can't help it if you don't know that, can I.

MrsChris, it is indeed your refreshing and balanced comments. I am seeing a lot of hysteria.
Thanks also to posters highlighting normal market volatility. The media seem keen to make it sound worse than it is.

I wonder if the remain camp want some cheese with their wine?

Haha fair enough, assumed it was a typo and amused me as invoked visions of the zombie apocalypse...must be a small subsector, I'm an ACA in banking.

The other important thing to remember is that the Remainers have lost something that they think is really, really important, and there is going to be big change. If the are winners had won, things would just have gone on as before- nobody would really have lost or won anything.

Mmmmm cheese and wine.

It's Friday, maybe tome to stop whining and start wining? Start again on Monday?

The remainers need a LOT of wine by the looks of things

Did Leave ever hand that £600,000 BNP donation back?

I agree, its disgusting, the people have voted, this is what they have voted, so be it! Some people on my news feed are absolutely awful, quite nasty and bullying, says a lot really.