AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

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Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

And anyway, it shouldn't be about the bloody campaign! Voting in or out because you personally don't like an individual or something an individual said is so bloody juvenile.

It's like kids when they say they aren't going to put any effort into a subject because they don't like the teacher. It's not the teacher who's going to get a D in their GCSE!

And anyway, it shouldn't be about the bloody campaign!

Quite.

If you need a 'campaign' to explain the issues, or you're voting on the campaign itself, then you shouldn't be voting anyway.

No, Dione, your point was even more inane. "I'm going to vote to change the country for ever because the other side weren't sufficiently nice to me. I'm ot going to let any of those pesky facts get in the way, dammit, I vote out cos Nigel Farage said I was smart if I did".

Fucks sake. It's a great day for the dimwitted. You won the vote and lost, well, everything else.
Your children are going to hate you.

Larrygrylls

Just on a point of fact, the EU 100 Bn budget 'never signed off by auditors' thing is debatable.

In summary: auditors have signed off the budget every year since 2007 as a full and fair recording of the EU's financial affairs, while also finding that some of the budget has been allocated in error (4% in 2014). 'Allocated in error' can cover fraud, but can also cover money paid out where the rules have not been followed to the letter.

Can anybody link to that tweet about this having been the last 'fuck you!!' to the younger generations by the Babyboomers?
This may or may not be the case, but I agree that it will be future generations that will have to bear the consequences - whatever they turn out to be.

You may consider it "juvenile", but it is human nature to oppose those who refuse to listen and resort to insults. The arrogance and lack of knowledge of human nature of some Remain supporters alienated many undecided voters.

It was juvenile of Remain supporters to resort to insults instead of simply presenting the facts and it lost the referendum. They should have focussed on getting as many people to vote Remain, instead they called people names. Hardly shining examples of maturity.

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/24/british_voters_regretting_their_decisions_a_roundup.html

*So why did Remain lose then if the campaign was right?

Because a lot of people are utter dickheads.

You can't be so stupid to think that because you won you must have been right? Lots of people voted for Hitler, you know, he must have been a good guy with the right plan then?*

That's addressed to me, I posted the question above,

It will be a pleasure to answer.

I didn't win, because I voted Remain, as I posted above. I followed the debate and even though I initially wanted to vote Leave I changed my mind and voted Remain. I'm not stupid, I can do my research and believe I made the right decision.

I voted so despite the campaign though. The campaign was patronising, one sided and took no notice of people's concerns. It was negative from beginning to the end and what this does is brings on a protest vote.

And anyway, it shouldn't be about the bloody campaign! Voting in or out because you personally don't like an individual or something an individual said is so bloody juvenile.

The campaigns are there to explain a platform. Of course they are personal in addition to that, and that's the skill in those who run them. They have to know their electorate, Remain had no idea what was going to happen in Wales, and if they did why didn't Labour campaign there? If people are indeed idiots then you explain, clearly, patiently, without name calling.

You do your research, you campaign accordingly.
They didn't.

I'm not gloating in the slightest. I know voting Remain was right and I'm very frightened of the future.

Yes, I think the Remain campaign was poor.
I was just naive enough to think that would not matter and that common sense would prevail anyway

I have a lot of time and patience for the people who really engaged with the arguments and decided that the reform needs of the Eu were so serious and unachievable that they were better off leaving.

I have less patience for a very well educated acquaintance who voted leave because her son had to go to university in Europe because of the overseas students taking all the uk places. She realised today that her son's qualification would not necessarily be recognised post- Brexit and was in tears. Fgs.

I'm also slightly short of patience for H's Gpils who voted leave. They don't like all those foreigners and they should all go back to their own country. Especially the 'pa..s and ni..ers'.

Hodoooor, thank you for demonstrating the arrogance and ignorance that I have been talking about. I voted Remain. Ever since the referendum was announced I was voting remain. But don't let that get in the way of your name calling, rants about Hitler and how my DC will hate me.

I think that the phrase "be careful what you wish vote for" has never been more apt.

Leave voters who now regret their vote have been coming out of the woodwork all day. The referendum was a simple question with remain or leave as the only answers. If you didn't want to leave then don't vote leave. Simple really. I hoped to remain, so I voted remain.

This was truly a case where "first past the post" was the only system, and it worked just as it was intended to.

What I think we should also really be thinking about is the 75% of 18 - 24 year olds who voted remain. We have an ageing population, and by far the largest number of leave votes came from older people. What about those young people who overwhelmingly wanted their future to be in Europe? Does anyone really think that in years to come they, as the leaders of the future, may not need to rejoin the EU? If that happens then the terms would not be as good. We would lose the pound, have to join the Euro and would possibly need to join Schengen. All opt-outs we have been relieved to have so far. Does the future lie with young people who will be the business and political leaders of the future, or with the older generation.

We may now be forced to invoke article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to give notice to leave the EU, if Juncker and co have their way.

If you didn't want it then why vote for it? It is called cutting off your nose to spite your face, and we may just have done that in spectacular style.

I voted leave. If I had woken to a remain victory that would have been it for me. Disappointed but decision accepted. I cant't believe the arrogant contempt for leave voters on here. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I haven't heard of one leave voter who regretted it, that's just propaganda. I have heard of many remain voters who only voted that way because they were scared of change right now however.

They don't like all those foreigners and they should all go back to their own country. Especially the 'pa..s and ni..ers'.

The European ones?

But if there had been a remain victory, people wouldn't now be losing jobs and houses in real life - disappointing but not life changing. I think people whose lives have been changed by this result are entitled to grieve a bit, especially when the voters who inflicted that decision on the large minority's did it for utterly stupid reasons.

That isn't everybody, obviously, but it is more than a very few people as well.

Exactly Lweji! Precisely that. Too many brown people because of the EU don'tcha know.

As far as I can see there isn't contempt for leave voters.

Rather leave voters who are now wishing they hadn't voted that way because:

"it was a protest vote"

"I didn't think it would spark indyref2 in Scotland, calls for Irish reunification, Gibraltar in talks with Spain etc"

"I didn't think my vote would count"

"I thought the economy would be fine and the Remain campaign were lying"

"I've just been told my summer holiday in Spain will be more expensive" etc etc

I think it's reasonable to have contempt for people who are now surprised that an out vote is actually having all the consequences that were predicted - and having fucked the Bremainers over think it's ok to whinge about it.

I have contempt for Leave voters. All of them.

Add to that list
"I just did it for the lolz "
"I like change, change is good isn't it?"
"No one listens to me so got my own back and voted leave"

Shovetheholly I took your advice and joined unite against fascism

Also

"I don't like being told what to do by experts",

Hod-just aim it at me. I'll take it.

I wonder how many boats will set out from Calais tonight, heading for the beaches of Kent.....

Oh, and this is exactly the type of debate that should have been happening across the country last week.....PS love the tinsel & unicorn idea.....