AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

[pestov]

Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

That's the thing, it's not our problem. There are various international agreements in place about where asylum should be claimed. The UK is not the first country that an asylum seeker/migrant arrives in, and thus their claim should be processed elsewhere.

And so frightfully handy that we are in the north eastern corner of the continent, so far from any unrest, and so sad that the poorest countries are so much closer. Never mind, I'm sure we'll do our bit if the Faroe islanders ever want asylum!

He was confident we'd stay in anyway and is shocked.

Gosh, I'd find it hard to get past being married to a fuckwit.

A colleague of mine today said he didn't vote because he was too lazy to. But he was shocked at the Leave result, wished we had a 14-day 'change your mind' clause and wasn't looking forward to the recession.

Wanker.

My highly educated idiot brother voted out but he thought it would never happen - he is now worried about the effect on the economy and raising finance to fund his business

He'd better get ready to learn German. He can start with learning the meaning of Schadenfreude

This ticket of "making America great again", "putting the Great back into Great Britain", is precisely the rhetoric that Hitler sold to the masses in the 1930s when Germany was feeling so put upon in the aftermath of the First World War.

^this.

Yes, the rhetoric is frighteningly familiar.
As is the scaremongering and 'othering'.
Fecking hell.
The more I read, the more worried I am getting...

I invoke Godwins Law!!

Yes, Godwin's Law applies - still does not change the horrible unease I feel at the language used, soz.

Seems I'm not the only one to have noticed this phenomenon...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/i-really-regret-my-vote-now-the-brexit-voters-who-wish-theyd-voted-to-remain-a3280361.html

I think that they should have discounted those concerns when it came to deciding on whether or not to be in the EU. Leaving is really not going reduce immigration or give the UK more control

This.

Any trade agreement with the rest of European I am still a European!! will be dependent on us guaranteeing freedom of movement. If we try to limit that, we'll be shut out.

Brexshit. That is my contribution.

So many people are far more eloquent but yes; we are in the shit and no; most vote leave people had no understanding/belief in the massive economic implications as laid out by most economists etc.

I truly hope we can find a way out of this mess but I just don't think we can.

think that anyone voting leave without probably researching it or considering the implications deserve all they get in terms of consequences.

Problem is, ALL of us have to suffer the consequences.

On the plus side, UKIP still only have one parliamentry seat, and despite such a strong leave vote, Farage couldn't get a seat last year.

Even if remain had won, almost 50% of the country would have voted to leave and it's likely that momentum would have continued to build.

Maybe winning a referendum was a lesser evil than than the more dubious elements winning seats?

Also, the 75% under 25 vote was positive for the future.

[looks around for more straws]

pest OMG that woman. I can't feel sorry for her but I won't say anything unkind as she obviously feels she has made a mistake but seriously, how ignorant. In the end it is Cameron's fault though. This girl may come from a low-achieving family and not have had much luck with her schooling but DC, knew what he was doing with opening brexit up to a referendum. He has destroyed the country and fucked over the lives of countless people.

I'm particularly gutted for the young, who'll be far more affected by this decision than I will. I've said all along that 16yr-olds should have been able to vote in the referendum - in fact I would have given the under 25s 2 votes each!

Fair play to my DIL (separated from DS) - she asked our 3 GCs (all too young to vote) how she should cast her vote. They all said she should vote to remain - so she did!

Now my oldest GC (14) is actively looking abroad for education and work opportunities - she doesn't see much future here!

So why did Remain lose then if the campaign was right?

Because instead of listening to the legitimate concerns of Leave and undecided voters and engaging with them, they patronised, insulted and dismissed them. That pissed off a significant number of undecided voters and that's why Remain lost. Remain voters may have more qualifications than Leavers, but some have displayed an arrogance and lack of emotional intelligence that alienated voters.

The facts were already there. Just because you don't like what someone is saying doesn't make it untrue. It just makes you look foolish for ignoring it.

Anyone who voted Leave and is now regretting it because of ignorance/protest voting has none of my sympathy. Suck it up, people, just like the rest of us have to. Stop whinging and make this work, because we bloody well have to. We have no choice now.

^^ that's in response to that woman in the clip up there. Honestly people like that really annoy me. Have the courage of your convictions, at least.

And why the fuck didn't people apprise themselves of the facts before they voted? You do your research when you go to buy a car, don't you? This is a much bigger decision than that!

Unfortunately, as a pp said, I think the EU (and specifically immigration from the EU) has become the 'reason' for hardship caused by the cuts. A minority of Brexit voters voted in protest because of this, but didn't expect to leave.

I would hope that those who have voted Leave will see the likely recession as a direct consequence of the vote. However, I suspect that all that will happen will be the ineentification of a new scapegoat... I wonder which group it will be?

So why did Remain lose then if the campaign was right?

Because a lot of people are utter dickheads.

You can't be so stupid to think that because you won you must have been right? Lots of people voted for Hitler, you know, he must have been a good guy with the right plan then?

The racist claims do make me laugh. Gisela Stuart? Mrs farage? German, I think you'll find

Adolf Hitler was Austrian. It didn't stop him telling Germany what to do and murdering 6 million.

You can't have been so stupid to believe that because you won you must have been right....

Was that directed to me Hodoooor?

Oh, and as a friend of mine summed it up perfectly this morning:

"I'm sure it's going to be fine. I mean, history is full of examples where rampant nationalism and economic hardship produce some of humanity's shining moments."

I think the parallels with 1930s Germany are quite clear.

You can't be so stupid to think that because you won you must have been right?

This + one trillion.

It really amuses me that people believe that we should stay in the EU regardless of what it becomes. For example the fact that the EU budget in excess of eur100bio (yes that is 100,000,000,000) had not been signed off by auditors for 19 years. This is billions of our money unaccounted for. It is also no small matter that the Franco German axis make decisions over a quiet dinner and, because Germany pays the bills, the other members acquiesce quietly the next day.

I remember my parents voting to join the ecsc in the 70s and them being excited by free trade and movement. We have gone so far beyond this both in widening and deepening, without much democratic process.

I can see reasons to stay but ado plenty to leave. Hopefully the whole Union will reassess now and become more accountable.