AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

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Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

So now we are fuckwits. Keep digging that hole for yourself.......

No matter how many times you call us racist,uneducated etc etc its not going to change things.

I agree. However much you argue that you are not uneducated or racist it's not going change peoples minds about whether you are.

People always have a problem with experts - they would much prefer to believe conspiracy theories, gossip and their mate down the pub. Just look at MMR vaccines, an overwhelming number of experts saying there is no concern but still people think there must be a problem. Or the continued belief in that homeopathy is an effective treatment, despite experts saying it isn't. Or concerns around GM crops, or breastfeeding or basically any subject that is difficult.

happyandsingle you're the one who dug the hole, a right wing isolationist hole, and we're all being dragged into it. Thanks for that!

happyandsingle

This thread is NOT about ALL those who voted Leave.

It's about those who voted Leave and never thought it would happen and now regret it.

I agree that they can now "FUCK RIGHT OFF".

The referendum was not a joke or a popularity contest.

As a thought experiment, what do you think would happen if you had two islands, and you moved all the Leavers to one in the EU and all the Remainers to another outside the EU? Which one would have the best skills set and economic future?

I ask because based on the socio-economic data and the data on education available so far, my bet is that the Leavers as a group (not individuals) are actually, in economic terms, net takers from the system and the Remainers are net contributors. But I'm just guessing. Would be interested to know if anyone has modelled this.

Perspicacia,

I know - and I find this utterly baffling, being of an analytical mindset myself....

I do believe its a big Fuck off right now to the leave campaigners after the vote.

*apparatchik, tsk, tsk.

Because we are fucking leaving

That's actually a bilateral agreement between the UK and France

The goal posts have been moved though. They might start to reconsider. I'm sure the residents of Calais would be much happier if the problem could be moved to Dover.

Oh I'd love to see the Brexiters face when Calais says 'look after your own problem'.

I will not accept it with dignity. It pisses me off that they voted in protest or voted with their heart or voted to make a point or they didn't feel listened to just because they wanted to see what would happen.
The economic fallout from this is bad enough but what actually terrifies me is the insidious acceptance of intolerant attitudes in society. This vote will do nothing but accelerate this acceptance of intolerance as normal and fine.

thewolf - you are right and that is the reason why (as I have posted elsewhere) I joined Unite Against Fascism this morning. DO IT!

That's actually a bilateral agreement between the UK and France

Which a senior French minister Emmanuel Macron said will be ditched when the UK leaves the EU.

Shove, the Guardian has this interesting modeling (about half way down the page) showing the correlation of voting pattern to age, socioeconomic group, income, education level and place of birth. It confirms your hypothesis

YANBU.

I hope people who voted 'leave' voted the way they did fully understanding that if Brexit won, it would not mean a halt to the tide of humanity moving across continents, looking for a less terrible life than they have at the countries of their origins.
I think we are going to have decades of mass migration ahead of us and the simple slogans suggesting 'vote Brexit and your jobs/way of life/whatever are safe' were facile oversimplification of the facts.

This vote has not demonstrated Britain's strength and confidence, but was born out of fear and anger. V poor show.

So larry, you are basically saying that you believe absolutely nobody and so you guess, based on what makes you feel warmest and fiuzziest about the future? Good...... [backs away slowly]

oleanna - bloody hell, thank you. It's really clear. Much appreciated!

Puts all that rhetoric about scrounging migrants into a bit of context!

Larry - We also have not left yet and Cameron not invoking article 50 leaves room for further negotiation.

Really? So your argument is that it will all be OK because it might never happen? Hateful though I find it, it IS going to happen. And the EU are not going to offer us special terms because we are so important and have so much they want.

We have nothing they want. We are about to lose our place as the European financial centre. We have a weak pound - great for exports, yes, but we import more than we export, so overall not good news. It will get more expensive for European companies to manufacture here, so we will likely be manufacturing less. I worry that our only real hope is to try to develop a low pay/conditions type economy in order to attract overseas investment here rather than in places like India etc. There will be no special deals.

Great result. sigh

My colleague has just offered to marry me and move to Edinburgh (she's from there) so we can both vote out of the UK in a new indyref and live in Scotland / EU.

On a serious note, my sister's company are very likely to move her job to France. And she won't be able to go with it because very soon it is likely she won't have a right to work in France.
Those who thought they were casting a protest vote should be ashamed of playing with people's lives like this.

Because the majority of people in this country don't have the education or life experience to really understand the political, social and economic consequences of leaving.

It was up to the campaigners to make it clear, in a language they could understand, instead of being patronising.
Knowing who and how you pitch to is a basic skill. They fucked up.

They even wheeled out Tony Blair FFS.

EU leaders are saying: get out now.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/24/europe-plunged-crisis-britain-votes-leave-eu-european-union

When the conservatives get in with such a low % of the vote and UKIP get one MP with quite a few votes I can see how people think their votes don't count. If we had PR in general elections I don't think this would have happened.

There wouldn't be a need for protest votes.