AIBU to be angry at surprised Brexit voters?

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Victoria Derbyshire has been chatting to voters all morning, and more than one admitted voting to leave, but being shocked and worried about the resulting political turmoil. What did they think was going to happen!? I just can't understand their logic.

Teacher,

People don't want to believe the 'experts' anymore firstly as they proved themselves catastrophically wrong so many times over the past few years (sterling exit from erm, 2008 etc). Secondly the experts (who are generally employed by banks) are clearly not neutral and all hail from London.

So why did Remain lose then, if the campaign was right?

Because the majority of people in this country don't have the education or life experience to really understand the political, social and economic consequences of leaving.

People can shout at me all they like for that comment, but reading people's reasons for voting out today on here, I realise ignorance is far worse and far more widespread than I had even figured.

And, as it turns out today, many people voted 'leave' as a protest, not thinking it would actually happen.

Teacher,

Could work out well in so many ways. The world is not just Europeans buying banking services from the City. We also have not left yet and Cameron not invoking article 50 leaves room for further negotiation.

Larry,

I am not saying that we should follow 'experts' blindly - just that the current pattern to disbelieve anyone who works for any large institution but to swallow anything 'followed' by 1,000 people ion the internet without detailed research into their credentials has perhaps swung too far the other way.

i am proposing critical thought by all, applied to everything, with qualifications, expertise and possible sources of boas taken into account.

Your plan for how it would work out very well? In detail?

France will just let them cross the sea That's the thing, it's not our problem. There are various international agreements in place about where asylum should be claimed. The UK is not the first country that an asylum seeker/migrant arrives in, and thus their claim should be processed elsewhere.

Good luck to them trying to cross the busiest shipping lanes on the planet.

Sorry, x-posts.

Tinsel and unicorns again - detail, please - who will replace the large multinational banks already moving out of the City? Why should someone currently invest in the UK, especially since our main export markets will potentially erect trade barriers against us? Which markets will fully replace our exports to the EU?

Twatbadging I could have told Lord Ashcroft that from my FB feed, for free. There is a strong correlation between the 'PC gone mad' types, and Leave voting. (Also with people who like to tell me about illegal immigrants getting free council houses etc)

YANBU. Stupid short sighted fools

Teacher,

It may make more sense to stop the culture of revolving door between senior public sector jobs and well paid investment banking positions. That might help the cynicism.

Easy to blame the less well qualified for a pack of critical analysis rather than the highly qualified for trading their unbiased expertise for cash.

Maybe the French will give us back Calais anyway as it was british for so long. ( that's tongue in cheek )

I disagree with Gonetoseeamanaboutadog that there was no such thing as an educated decision to leave. I voted For membership of the EEC in 1975, and would still be happy for the UK to be a member of the EEC. I voted Leave yesterday (after very prolonged reading of both sides of the case) because I do not want federal bureaucracy for a population of over 500 million, with an unelected nomenklatura of failed national politicians, cheered on by big corporate and banking groups writing rules to serve their interests, and governing because they know best. The lowest depths have been plumbed on both sides, but an anonymous Eurocrat who suggested that only graduates had the intellectual resources to reach a sensible decision and therefore only graduates should be allowed to vote struck me as the epitome of apparatchick arrogance, revealiing the chasm that exists between ordinary people and the so-called elite.

Remain may dislike the result but I have heard more people engaging in political talk and thought in the last three months than ever before.

"France will just let them cross the sea That's the thing, it's not our problem. There are various international agreements in place about where asylum should be claimed. The UK is not the first country that an asylum seeker/migrant arrives in, and thus their claim should be processed elsewhere.

Good luck to them trying to cross the busiest shipping lanes on the planet."

Doesn't stop people crossing the med in inflatables, and from cuba to florida - both larger and more dangerous strips of water.

Doesn't matter where asylum should be claimed and processed. France will have no obligation or incentive to catch people leaving their borders. The obligation, resource and cost becomes ours.

scaryteacher
Serious question - what agreements about claiming asylum other than the Dublin Regulation which is EU law?

Had a few typos yet again snobbery wins

Teacher,

Do we need to 'fully' replace our European export markets, you are guilty of hyperbole here. A 20% decline would be huge. Are we going to export nothing to Europe at all?

OK, we have established that you do not feel that any senior expert in finance can be trusted at all.

So where do you get your detailed information from? Yourself? Your friends? Your gut feeling?

Yep, two family members who "voted with their hearts" but thought everyone else wouldn't.

This is what I suspected. Now it is confirmed. Protest votes and people too stupid to engage with the issues. It won't be long before those who voted out will be endeavouring to keep it quiet. I am old but my conscience is clear. I begged my grandchildren to vote remain before the masses who depend on newspaper headlines lead us into disaster.

Teacher,

I listen to all and believe none. I try to get facts and analyse them. The reality is that no one knows the economics or the politics so a vote should be based on how you want your country to be....whichever way you vote.

Chaza I saved a link to this as I found it interesting at the time:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/sep/21/claim-asylum-uk-legal-position

Larry, it depends.

Which exports do we have that are sufficiently desirable to be worth paying the extra for to get over the tariff barrier that is very likely to be erected?

Which things that we currently export - like cars made for overseas marques - might simply move their production facilities elsewhere?

Which 'intangible' exports - financial, knowledge based - can be simply removed from the equation very easily by the relevant people being relocated to a different office elsewhere?

Remain voters- accept that over half voted out and accept it with dignity instead of making yourself look bitter and spouting your hateful words to the remain camp. No matter how many times you call us racist,uneducated etc etc its not going to change things.

I'm basically a lazy bugger - so I'll just copy and paste this from Dollius:

We have completely shot ourselves in the foot for some vague notion of "sovereignty" which actually just means handing total power to whichever bunch of over-privileged public school boys happen to be in power here, totally un-hampered by Brussels from shafting us any which way they want.

So goodbye workers rights, maternity rights, equal pay rights, clean beaches, unpolluted waters, environment protection and HELLO massive recession, a hike in interest rates so you can't afford your mortgage anymore (unless you are a rich Tory like Boris of course), total privatisation of all our public services and the break-up of the UK.

So anyone who says "oh but I didn't really think it would happen" can FUCK RIGHT OFF.

In spades!

accept it with dignity instead of making yourself look bitter

Why? I am bloody bitter. I have no problem saying 'I am bitter at the fuckwits who voted for Leave'.

happy,

No-one has called you (as an individual) uneducated.

There is a correlation between level of education and which way people voted - this is a statistical correlation, not a 100% certainty.

No-one has called you (as an individual) racist.

Some aspects of the leave campaign were racist. Some Leave voters are racists. It does not mean that you are as an individual, nor that your reasons for voting Leave were racist