to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

[SybilEngineer]

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

Whatever the EU or Cameron wants, the world, the U.K. and the economy need stability. Fannying about us just going to prolong chaos.

Rosie what would you like to see? What processes would be better for raising taxes and allocating funds? We'll surely not be getting another referendum on anything for a long time.

I believe passionately that remaining in the EU would be best for the UK.

I believe even more passionately in democracy.

Good grief - what are you suggesting?! That is what happens in a democracy.
It is Cameron's fault for cocking up this campaign and the arrogance that that didn't think they could lose!
I voted remain.

Apocalypse if only that were true - some of us have another IndyRef to 'look forward' too

Analysts say EU politicians will fear a domino effect from Brexit that could threaten the whole organisation

I imagine some might say that would be no bad thing - I'd count myself among them, except that what I'd really prefer is proper reform rather than for the whole thing to collapse

Trouble is there seems absolutely no chance of this happening, which may explain why the majority voted to get away from the whole unaccountable bunch of them

I voted remain, but would have voted leave if I thought that would have led the EU to collapse. That is I think the best thing for Europe, so we can start again. Now we voted remain I really want contagion, as I believe it offers the best hope not for the UK, but for Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal and the countries being damaged by german led economic policy.

That won't happen any more than staying would but given the choice I think most of Southern Europe would prefer to go backwards to a free trade area, than forwards to full integration where the euro has locked in various economies in a way which helps very few of them.

Sorry I meant now we voted brexit. I wanted remain but there you go

I can't help but wonder what would have happened if 16 and 17 year olds had been given the vote... old enough to fight for their country yet denied a vote that will affect their lives hugelym

With 16 and 17 year olds voting, we'd have stayed. It was the elderly vote that won it.

I'm a remainer I believe in democracy not convinced that's what happened here

I'm in Scotland.

I voted remain

I also voted No to Scottish independence.

If I could be given a 100% garuntee that Scotland would remain in the EU I would vote yes to an independent Scotland tomorrow. That is how important this is to me.

It's a hard one to take when your entire country has voted to remain to think that we will have no choice but to go with the leave camp. And yes, there are only 5million or so of us up here, but I think it's clear that we all spoke with the one voice yesterday.

I genuinely feel a lot of the leave voters did it for all the wrong reasons. And have shot themselves in the foot. England probably will leave the EU, but this could be the beginning of the end of the U.K. And I wonder if that is really worth it.

With 16 and 17 year olds voting, we'd have stayed. It was the elderly vote that won it.
and you have proof of this implausible hypothesis.
no-one knows how many elderly voted for either side just a yougov 'Poll' that suggested the over 65s more likely to vote leave - please do not keep trotting out this fallacy that the voting figures actually support the supposition - it is ageist.

The army states that it doesn't recruit children under the age of 16 and that soldiers must be 18 before they can be deployed to the front line.
so no - no-one is on the front line until they are 18.

i havnt read all the posts but the original poster sounds like nicola sturgeon .you didnt do as i said so i will make you vote again .talk about throwing
a strop .

Maybe a group of 16 and 17 year olds could sue the government or take a case to the European Court of human rights (whilst we're still members)
for having their futures taken away from them with no right to vote?

Especially a group where some were thinking of studying in Europe at Uni?

I have a DD aged 17 ... might suggest it?

Maybe a group of 16 and 17 year olds could sue the government or take a case to the European Court of human rights (whilst we're still members) for having their futures taken away from them with no right to vote?

How on earth would you sue?

They had no right to vote as the voting age is 18. Going by your theory what about 15 year olds and their right to vote etc.

It's not an option.

Well I think the National Youth Council, having conducted surveys of young people nationally, have reported to government that they feel they should have the right to vote.

Over 16's have a number of other rights and responsibilities. So is it justifiable that they don't have this simple right?

They may in the future. You can't do it retrospectively.

It doesn't work that way.

Actually i suspect Nicola Sturgeon doesn't want a repeat ref either, but she doesn't want/can't allow Scotland to be shafted. She does want independence as she believes that's what is right for the country. You might not agree with that view but that is her view, and her job is to do the best she can for the country. She's been often badgered, at FMQ for one, about the next ref. other people ask her about it more than she talks about it. It's understandable as lots of people want to not have another ref - they also want to oppose the SNP govt. As it's their job to do so - other party leaders for example. That's life in a democracy. You can't please all of the people all of the time. NS will also be under pressure from her own party to lead - and to sort out independence, and some are very impatient for it.

I don't like what IDS did to the welfare state, but he thought it was the thing to do.I can object by not voting for him or his gang but I have to accept it. Again it's democracy.

Yeah and maybe some 16 years olds should sue because they feel they should be able to drive before they are 17.
And drink before they are 18z

People are really clutching at straws.

Fwiw, dds school (also 6th form ) had a mock vote. Brexit won. Yes there are young people who are upset. But letting over 16s vote might not have changed it. Polls are not accurate as last night and the GE showed us.

And if 16 year old vote, why not 15 or 14 or 13?

I voted remain. Maybe the leavers need to learn their lessons properly? Maybe we could have a year of chaos, then another referendum in 12 months, by which time I think the leave vote would be less than 10%.

We will see what happens. I have to remain as optimistic as possible, even though it is very hard today. I feel so sad, vulnerable and furious.