to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

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A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

No election ever has a 100% turnout, and those that didn't vote may have deliberately decided not to vote. The 36% are a sizeable enough number of people that no democratically accountable parliament can ignore them, particularly as people who didn't vote in the referendum are far less likely to vote at the next general election and the number of remain voters is smaller. We have to accept the result of the referendum.

The alternative is that parties like UKIP or worse make further inroads into the vote.

Realistically, 52% of the people who voted are not racist idiots. However ignoring their vote will give power to the rabble rousers.

With luck we will reach a point where we can negotiate based on finding real pragmatic solutions, not pie in the sky nationalist rhetoric.

Valentine, the Country needs all those 'smug metropolitan elite intelligentsia London Guardianista Islington experts', or whatever the latest insult is to sort out the mess.

remainers won't take it laying down, think you missed the boat, it's called democracy.

Please will people stop saying this isn't democracy.

This IS democracy. This is what it looks like. It isn't some magical process guaranteed to always have good outcomes. It's just the "least worst" option.

The actual Churchill quote referenced above is: "democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried"

Funny how people are always in favor of democracy until a vote doesn't go their way. Then they want democracy with stipulations.

Newsflash: That isn't democracy.

Leave won with the majority. So we leave. It means just under half the population are pissed off and just over half are okay/happy with the decision. That's the way it goes.

Don't like living in our democratic society? I hear the likes of China, Saudi Arabia and North Korea are lovely places with all their non-existent human rights, suppressed people and cute, fluffy bunnies for dictators leaders. Let's all move to those countries or aspire to be more like them here!

Utterly sickened and disgusted by the bile I have witnessed on FB and MN today, especially by the remain camp, many of whom are acting like an angry mob with no brain to mouth filters. It's natural to feel frustrated, angry, anxious and fearful when huge things like this happen. Of course there will be mixed emotions. But it doesn't give anyone the right to behave in such a deplorable way. I think I need to stay off the internet for the next few days. I'm not sure how much longer I can hold my tongue.

OP how would you feel if the vote had gone the other way, and the leave camp demanded a second vote? Would you not see the injustice in such a demand? Would your response not be: We voted. The majority vote won. We stay. Suck it up.

merrymouse
I literally have tears in my eyes as I type this. I worked my bones off the last 15 years. I don't want much. Just want to be above the breadline,be able to give my children good education and a simple home. Nothing of this looks like possible. Next comes a property market bubble. And we get doomed forever. Just because the Leavers didn't take it seriously or wanted to protest? Where do we go from here? The EU have just issued a statement saying hey want UK to proceed ASAP. Obviously they don't want uncertainty looming over their heads for long.

Yes it's the 'least worst' option. The risk of democracy is that the masses make stupid decisions. Like today. Look up Aristotle and democracy

This country doesn't know what has hit it. I am old but I used my experience, my memories of my parents experiences and reading and listening to make a decision. Those gung-ho voters for Brexit with there narrow view of the issues have done for us. It is the biggest disaster since the Second World War. Only this time we walked into it. Just wait for Boris Johnson to get us out of it! Good luck with that. If those in areas of hardship think things will improve than they have a real shock coming. Unemployment, the finishing of the NHS as we know it, the harshness of a right wing Government. It is all in our history if you bother to acknowledge it.

There should be their.

Puzzled and Rosie my point about the uninformed and easily manipulated is that when we elect a politician we're also signing up for lots of checks and balances so that extreme opinions don't have an unchecked say. We'd have the death penalty if everyone had a say.

I think a lot of exiters will soon realise they have made a collosal mistake. If these combined with the remainers, collectively make enough noise there may be some change. Depends on the numbers who realise their mistake and how this is conveyed.

It's certainly a big, brown shituation.

I have just quickly scanned this thread again and others and seem to see a recurring theme : if remain had won (by a small margin) the way brexit had then remainers wouldn't have wanted a 2nd referendum - honestly no we more than likely wouldn't be requesting it - but the tables would be turned and brexit would be requesting it.

If brexit had lost the vote then NF would have fought tooth and nail for another referendum - he stated that there would be unfinished business if Remain had won the majority (to be fair and not one sided he did say if the result was 2/3 to a 1/3 then he did say he would accept it) - this is what the Remainers are wanting - a clear lead (with true facts from both sides - NF has said the NHS would not get the money promised, Daniel Hannan has said immigration will no longer be tackled - these are issues brexiters made their decisions on - issues that are obviously lies).

Excuse the Daily Mirror link but here is an article about NF's desires for 2nd ref if Remain won - I am sure the same sort of article will surface in more fair papers. ALso, I am aware NF is not the leader of brexit but he is appearing as the face of brexit (all over news etc.)

I don't think people were able to make an informed decision because the Leave side did not make clear what kind of deal they would be able or willing to negotiate.

Policy is written and carried out by political parties, but we aren't going to get the labour version of 'Leave' and Boris seems in no hurry to work out what the conservative version of 'Leave' is. Maybe there isn't currently enough agreement in any electable party to formulate this kind of policy - but then really, there shouldn't have been a vote.

I remember 1985 (the year the stock markets plunged to). It was awful. I don't want to live in 1985 Britain again

Why would it be bad if London and/or Scotland stayed in the EU? If London wants to remain, Scotland wants to remain, and England sans London wants to leave; and subsequently London gets to remain, Scotland gets to remain, and England sans London gets to leave - isn't that everyone getting what they want?

"Yes I know that's how democracy works. Another Massive mistake by Cameron in not setting a minimum level of Leave votes required"

The turn out in both Scotland and Northern Ireland was awful. In England and Wales the turn out wad incredibly high. If almost 40% of scots can't be arsed to vote they have no right to complain when we leave. If the turn out in Scotland and Northern Ireland had been as high as England then Remain might have won.

I feel more sorry for places like London of Gibralter where voters wanted remain and did vote.

I don't think you can say if Scotland wants to remain, london wants to remain Etc. What about Oxford, Cambridge, Guildford, Liverpool, Tonbridge wells, norwiCh, there were a fair few cities who voted to remain. but as of today the UK voted to leave, not Cornwall, Lincolnshire, Wales etc. the UK. Are we going to divide up urban ares from the countryside....

So what if I want Scotland to stay, do I get a say in that... I doubt it as I am not Scottish, but at the moment we have a state, the UK, as any settlement has to now look at how that will be shaped in the future. I am a labour voter, in a labour area, who will never have my voice heard on anything again if the UK loses Scotland and London.

Just read EU statement. They will not wait unti October as Cameron said. They want this done and dusted quickly. Cameron won't be negotiating for a great deal, he is washing his hands of it all so how will that work?

London is fake labour and frankly that is part of the problem. London labour voters have little in common with those from Doncaster. London labour has played at socialism.

In this referendum every vote has counted wherever the voters have lived.

Of course the EU want it done quickly. Because the uncertainty of when and what happens with all our trading terms etc will fuck up their economies and increase the swell of other people crying "Bollocks to the EU".

Cornishclio, I think until the UK has applied for Article 50 to be implemented, nothing will happen. I believe it is up to the UK to initiate the procedure, which Cameron has said he will be leaving to his successor. It is my understanding that the EU cannot force the UK to start the procedure to leave. But this means the UK economy will remain in limbo till Cameron's successor is in place.
I could be completely wrong, but that is my understanding from the reading I've done since hearing the result this morning,

The EU cannot make Cameron invoke article 50 until the UK is ready to do so. Merkel is wanting calm and a period for reflection and no knee jerk reactions. She will get what she wants.

The UK isn't about to lose London.

(And how is London 'fake labour?' Does that mean that if somebody in Doncaster votes Conservative they are 'fake conservative'?).