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AIBU to be cheerful and optimistic about Brexit because....

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HeartsofOak · 24/06/2016 08:55

We had a record-breaking 72% of the population take part :)

Our sovereignty will be restored

The first General Election in decades that will truly be about how the country is governed

MPs will be directly held accountable

We can plan a proper strategy for immigration and allocate resources to avoid overloading services

We can have a fair immigration strategy

We can be more versatile and responsive to world economic changes

We can decide how to spend our national resources

House prices are projected to fall meaning more people will be able to first time buy

There will be downward pressure on prices of goods as import terms (we buy more in than we sell out) can be negotiated directly with UK

There will be inward investment as many manufacturers will prefer a UK base rather than their current EU base

What other positives are there?

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jellyjiggles · 24/06/2016 14:40

YANBU! Honestly I think if we'd have stayed the same would have happened only the arguments would be very different.

Negative countries dont thrive! Lets be a bit more positive. Weve not been struck down by lighting. The vote was so close half the population is going to be pissed off.

HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky · 24/06/2016 14:41

Ireland relies on UK trade.

well hopefully Ireland will be the first to negotiate a mutually benefit trade agreement with Britain. Oh except Ireland is in the EU and so doesn't negotiate its own trade deals.

So Brexit has fucked over our closest friend too.

smallfox1980 · 24/06/2016 14:42

They don't have any power over that.

todayitstarts · 24/06/2016 14:43

Fucked countries don't thrive jelly. This is not about being a bit pissed off. People's lives are ruined and more will be. Nothing positive about it

HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky · 24/06/2016 14:46

news.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/uk-and-the-european-union/eu-business-facts/10-facts-about-eu-trade-deals-pdf/

^ On EU trade deals. If Britain, while in the EU, didn't sign it's own trade deals, how is Ireland being part of the EU able to sign a deal directly with Britain now?

I can only guess that "getting control of OUR country back" means we will now be "free" to negotiate our own trade deals. One will be with the EU and will include Ireland.

HisNameWasPrinceAndHeWasFunky · 24/06/2016 14:59

Though I'd love to be proven wrong smallfox

Perhaps the CBI got all their facts wrong preparing that factsheet?

Madbengalmum · 24/06/2016 15:02

Perhaps those thinking morgan stanley has anything to do with todays outcome should read the article in the independent, all will become clear then.

RedToothBrush · 24/06/2016 15:08

I can see a viral dutch meme on facebook a friend has commented on. Its purely all dutch comments. The words 'punish' and 'messy divorce' come up a lot. There is a lot of anger over what we have cost them and how we should never have been allowed in the EU in the first place.

thisisafakename · 24/06/2016 16:49

Yeah, fucking great that the price of my house will drop loads. You do realise that prices are going to have to freefall to become affordable to most people? Oh and I seem to recall last recession house prices dropped but it became impossible to get on the ladder because banks weren't lending.

So, YABU and not particularly bright either.

smallfox1980 · 24/06/2016 17:00

Five percent fall in house prices in London predicted. Not a high enough drop for many, lower multiples of mortgages to be offered by banks. Cash rich foreign investors to profit

DrawingLife · 24/06/2016 18:09

I haven't read tft, but one thing strikes me as symptomatic of the low level of factual awareness in the debate: that anyone is still repeating the fictional figure of "350 million a week", and that anyone is remotely surprised that it won't be spent on the NHS. If that's the kind of information people voted on I truly despair.
I thought the MN debate before was actually quite well informed on both sides, I'm an Inner but read quite a few well made points from Outers. But the constant mention of the £ 350 m lie makes me wonder. Are there really so few who know that the true figure is more like 260 m, and that another 100 m plus will have to go to agriculture, science and other areas currently funded by EU (if Leave promises are to be believed)? So the actual money being "freed up" is something like 150 m at most? It doesn't take a lot of economic uncertainty to wipe out that kind of amount. For reference, the NHS costs over 2 billion a week.

DrawingLife · 24/06/2016 18:20

The other thing I'm already seeing is people starting to blame the other EU countries in advance for negative consequences of this entirely self inflicted mess. Because they ask to keep the period of uncertainty to a minimum (economic common sense). Because the political leaders are moving to make sure the UK doesn't get an easy ride. What do you expect? If anybody could just walk out on all obligations and take all the benefits with them, everybody would do it. Yes, there will be lobbying by big companies to agree trade deals. But politically it is impossible not to make leaving an unattractive option. It's nothing personal, it's political necessity. And honestly, quite right, too. We create a major headache and instability for many countries who are economically weaker than we are, then turn around and complain they're bad "friends" because they're not happy about us shitting all over them? There's a great MN reverse in there...

MooseyMouse · 25/06/2016 05:05

The leave voters pop up, say "it'll be fine, stop moaning" and disappear.

They don't cite evidence, they don't respond to evidence. It's fingers-in-the-ears and "La la la la Britain will be great again"

mamamea · 25/06/2016 05:31

I think it's disgusting and disgraceful that the Bremainers want Britain to fail and seem determined to will that failure into reality.

We have gone for Brexit, and we should unite together to build a BETTER tomorrow.

SpinyCrevice · 25/06/2016 05:44

But OP, as a country we don't own anything of value. Aerospace, steel, mines, car plants, nuclear anything of value is foreign owned. We will end up just taking in each others washing and have no economy of our own. This is the beginning of a decline in this country. People are so smug thinking everyone wants to come here because it's such an amazing country. Not for much longer. This country was propped by by very lucrative and well negotiated trade deals the like of which we are unlikely to ever see again - it was a crazy knee jerk reaction except that people had months to think it through. Just thinking about the personalities that were making such huge claims should have had most people thinking but....no :(

Stanky · 25/06/2016 07:15

I voted remain, and I have been feeling very gloomy and uncertain. I feel so sorry for our children, and I don't think that people have realised what they've done. I want to feel positive because it's done now, and we need to move forward to this brighter future the majority voted for, but I'm just not seeing it. :(

WellErrr · 25/06/2016 07:50

The leave voters pop up, say "it'll be fine, stop moaning" and disappear.

They don't cite evidence, they don't respond to evidence

There's no point engaging on here. I have tried, but you just get 'RACIST!' screamed at you and 'LIES!' so I'm not bothering.

I also agree with this -

I think it's disgusting and disgraceful that the Bremainers want Britain to fail and seem determined to will that failure into reality

Brexit won.
There's a reason all our industry has been moving abroad since joining the EU. They've been paying them to move. I'm just glad it's stopping now.

BlossomHillOne · 25/06/2016 07:51

Mamamea - how will uniting together build a better tomorrow? What will uniting actually achieve and how will it solve any of the problems highlighted above?

FB is full of this nonsense - brexit supporters who think holding hands and being nice to each other will make Britain great. They have no solutions though - just a few meaningless words. The reality is that we are pretty much stuffed.

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SquidgeyMidgey · 25/06/2016 08:24

Mamamea, I don't want the country to fail, believe me but I'm frankly terrified of what lies ahead. We almost lost our house in the last recession but scraped through by the skin of our teeth. DH works in a very specialised form of research & development engineering and if his job goes pop he can't just get another. He's not alone in that, many people in high-level technical posts have employers reliant on EU grants or with other financial ties and serious collywobbles about staying in a UK that is not in the EU.

BazilGin · 25/06/2016 08:51

I have been working here for 10 years, paying my taxes and not claiming any benefits. I moved here because I met a British guy and it was just easier to start our new life here rather than him moving to Poland (he doesn't speak Polish). I never felt like a second class citizen, having the same rights (apart from voting in general election) as anyone else. Now, 10 years on and 2 British kids later, what am I to make of this? I don't feel particularly welcome anymore. We are considering our options. Good luck with "taking back control".

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 25/06/2016 08:58

If you look at the Google trends they are very revealing eg there was a massive spike in UK people searching "what is the EU" after the result was announced...

RedToothBrush · 25/06/2016 09:25

I think it's disgusting and disgraceful that the Bremainers want Britain to fail and seem determined to will that failure into reality.

Did you get an email yesterday saying your job was at risk and there were likely to be redundancies?

Anyone getting that kind of email under any circumstances - pre or post Brexit, I do think is fair to be less than positive about the future and more than a little worried.

How else would you expect them to react?

But oh we should be dancing in the street because they have just got independence? The fact they might be looking at loosing their home a few months down the line is totally irrelevant. They are empowered. We should all be happy?

Yeah. Its disgusting and disgraceful behaviour that they are not being optimistic and cheerful. Yep 'cheer up love, it can't be that bad' seems to the exact mentally on display here.

Lets unite and hold hands because that's going to make all the bloody difference to the reality of what some people are facing.

No understanding the impact and what the immediate effects of a leave vote would mean would have been a lot more helpful to a future. Having a clear plan that would have reassured businesses, so they weren't put in a position yesterday where the uncertainty means they are planning for fuck knows what. We asked for one, and didn't get one and were told to BELEIVE. Believe in what? My Little Pony? That doesn't really cut it, if you are responsible for the employment future of hundreds or even thousands of workers.

What are we getting instead? Oh well, yes its true, we probably won't be able to afford to give the NHS all that money afterall. Talk about reassurance...

Good leadership needed to come from the Leave campaign as much as the from the defeated Remain campaign at this point. It is totally absent, and we now have the political infighting that was predicted and was always going to happen. Boris is saying 'Take our time'. The EU is saying 'Get it done. Get it done NOW' in our absence. Brilliant.

Instead of bitching about how people are reacting on MN take a look at the leadership of this country and tell me you are confident about the next few months and how they are encouraging unity and confidence. Without it coming from the top, do you think it realistic to expect everyone else to be united. There is nothing to suggest and encourage that sentiment.

What the market, may or may not be doing, is only a very small part of it.

There are lots of people who are quite happy to brush off or play down feelings of worry as either irrelevant or scaremongering or any other dismissive sentiment you can care to think of. There is also this attitude that it almost like its ok to get one over on certain groups as its something they 'deserved' because they aren't one of you or they aren't poor enough or they must be selfish.

Its not helpful.

People are reacting in a human way, that anyone would at the prospect of losing their jobs. People really are worried for their future for lots of legitimate reasons.

The trickle down effect, will be that people will not be spending this week, next week or the week after. Self fulfilling? Only because there was no clear and strong plan in this event from anyone.

Do you really think turning around and telling people to stop being 'hysterical' under the circumstances, is going to help the mood and do this magic uniting of the country. If you aren't prepared to act in a way that supports and is empathetic to others at this crucial point, do you think that others will automatically open their arms to you in the arms of unity?

The fact that people are not willing to listen to this sentiment, when they have been bleating on about not being listened to over their concerns is frankly laughable and hypocrisy of the highest order.

On what fucking planet are some people on?! My mind continues to be blown by the utter insanity of it all.

I'll just get out the Rule Britannia bunting and it'll all be just fine. We are Britain.

Oh do bugger off old chap. There's a good fellow. Its meaningless claptrap.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 25/06/2016 09:27

I'm glad we have a reason to leave the country sooner rather than later and our British-funded education and skills will be taken elsewhere.