To point out that not ALL people who voted leave are racist

[EsmeraldaEllaBella]

I'd describe myself as extreme left. I voted leave because the EU's undemocratic. Today I wake up to ALL of my Facebook posting statuses about how they feel sick etc. all my friends are liberal, some of them would hate me if they knew. But if I was asked outright I'd probably be honest. I've made new friends recently who would definitely never speak to me again if they knew though. I feel like everyone who voted leave has been branded a racist. I feel uncomfortable that probably lots of them are sad I feel very uneasy being lumped in with them and might come to regret my decision

Posted this elsewhere but in need of some hand holding I think! Or maybe someone who feels the same way? Anyone?

Jeez dawn, that's horrendously awful 😓 Xxx

@papaya hmm really? So you don't think the sudden rise in reported racist attacks since Friday is in any way linked to the out vote declared on Friday, a result of a campaign that was largely based on fear of immigrants/foreigners/the other? And you don't think that those who voted for that campaign bear some responsibility?

This is not remotely similar to the Muslim/terrorist argument: Islam does not encourage terrorism; the leave campaign did encourage racism.

Dawndonnaagain

Unless Corbyn actually states that he voted out, you do not have a valid argument.
As someone who has just been asked (within the last hour) if I'm a 'light skinned Paki' the Out lot can fuck right off. I've had it all weekend and all anybody who voted out has done is legitimise this sort of abuse.

That is disgusting I am sorry it happened to you. But please see this thread and the one linked in the first post to see we are not all like that.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2671677-EU-Referendum-Racists-and-Xenophobes?pg=1

Thank you. I've had it all weekend, as I've stated on other threads.
Papaya I have been asked if when I"m putting dd back on the plane, but of course nobody has said anything about her blonde, blue eyed siblings. I have been told by a neighbour that now the vote has gone her way she will no longer speak to me as she doesn't have to talk to foreigners anymore. As I've said, until I'm blue in the face, Grandmother was from Gibraltar, a british colony that sensibly voted in, by a huge majority. But we're a tad dark, olive skinned. Mother born in Bournemouth, before the war, me born in London, dd in Hertfordshire.
If you think that the Out vote has not legitimised racism not seen in this country for a good number of years, you're living in a Disney cartoon. Read the threads, it's not just me, there are a lot of us.
We knew this was the way it would go and were told we were talking rubbish. We weren't.

Totally feel for you and I'm in the same situation. I have spent most (though not all) of my time happily on the left and I am certainly not racist but decided it was time to leave the EU. I would of no doubt been upset if the vote went the other way but would definitely not be attacking the people who choose the alternative. Just for the record I am also not 'old' or 'working class' and I have been through higher education - though I believe it is outrageous to suggest that any of this should make a difference to the value of a persons vote.

racist ? what a boring insult, try and be a bit more original, voting leave doesn't make me racist, some of my friends are black and were born in this country, they know how i voted as did they, does that make me racist, er.. don't think so

some of my friends are black

yes, any variation on "some of my friends are black" means that you are absolutely definitely not a racist.

'I'm not racist, I love a vindaloo on a Friday night'.

merrymouse thank you. mitzy

Maybe not racist and just a good old fashioned xenophobe?

Dawn - of you can get any of this on camera you could report it to the police? So angry for you!

Hey Ella Bella, I'm going to help put you at ease the best I can , firstly and foremost, being Racist is a personal choice, whether you voted leave or Remain, it makes no difference.... Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who will disagree with you (and people will agree of course)......we and every other country on this planet have the little, thoughtless,sick and twisted views typical of racists, and its these people who disgrace people like me who believe in the common good, you have clearly stated you voted leave and you should, in no way be ashamed of your decision, it is YOUR choice. The people on here who take an unconstructive, sharp and blatently naive reaction to your question should be ashamed, how people can relate individuals (as a group) is beyond me..."you voted remain so you must be racist" or "enjoy the country you created"...foolish comments, as pointless and pathetic. Now, you obviously voted leave for a reason, be it research based or not, but you have posted on here for a reason that is not of racial means (I'm surprised a racist knows what a keyboard is let alone type in a forum)....you Decided, you voted, you made a democratic decision, be proud that you can. I researched and voted leave, as I have done since the day I could vote, I have voted for all 3 parties in 15 years based on what I thought was best for me and my country, be it win or lose and I wouldn't change anything, on the referendum, I agree with immigration but I think the government should do more to control it, I don't agree on a common currency, I agree out right with democracy, I don't believe in an undemocratic political union or super state nor do I think a eu army is going to solve the worlds issues!!, I believe in a string economy, I dont agree we should pay others to let us achieve it, and a lot more where that came from, what do you think I voted for?? And I ask the so called "this is the country you created" commentors to answer the same. Ella Bella, rest easy, we have some tough times ahead but we, as a nation should not sit back and knock our country (UK) down, if any country in the world can sort this, we can, please, I beg someone to challenge why I shouldn't be proud of my vote.....and just one last thing, I think Farage should be given his own island where he can practice his poison with his own naive extreme far right minions, including Prick Griffin.

Noble reasons.
But wrong time for the vote you made.
Surely it was obvious the was a right wing campaign with a right wing agenda.

Many of us think there is a lot (& I mean a lot) wrong with the EU but we voted Remain in the thought that it's still better than the alternative & a Remain vote would give us a mandate to try & properly reform with the support of other countries.

There was always the choice of another referendum if we were still not happy.

Now that choice is gone & so are our kids futures.

As I say you can complain all you like but one of the consequences of your vote, is that many many people think that the leave vote has legitimised racism. We have accepted democracy and I am afraid you will just have to live with the fact that many people view that vote as complicit in racism. You can call it boring or whatever you like and I am sorry that it doesn't fit into the left wing narrative, but this is democracy and you can't change what a lot of us think.

I'm sorry Idag, but as a leave voter you don't get to try and take the moral high ground. As I said before, if you voted out, you are either a racist or very stupid and unable to understand what all the experts said. Or at best, very very naive. Take your pick. You have now contributed to throwing the country into massive political and economic uncertainty. We have lost the amazing position we were in and we are now going to be far worse off. You've contributed to screwing over our countries.

We are very very angry, and justified in being so. Sorry, but I can't just forgive you. Don't come here looking for absolution as the racists take to the streets and you lose your job. Because you brought this on us and it is not our responsibility to make you feel better about yourself. I am SO angry with you all.

Ps you do realise you shouldn't believe everything you read in the daily express?! There is no such thing as the new world order. We weren't in the single currency. If we want to continue in the single market we won't have the control of your boarders you were promised! Sorry! You were sold a cheap line by some very nasty people and you bought it, despite all the warnings.

Saw this recently, which I think epitomises, albeit in a tongue in cheek way, how many Remainers feel. We're being told to just get over it like we disagreed over what to have for dinner. Nonetheless this made me smile, thinking of the various conversations ongoing on mn:

"How did you vote?" said Pooh.

"Leave," said Piglet.

"I voted remain," said Pooh.

"Are we still friends?" said Piglet.

"Well to be honest, I'm not really sure" said Pooh, uncharacteristically thoughtfully. "It's a complex issue and not really one that can be reduced to seven lines of text for the purposes of a rather twee meme.

"On the one hand, a belief in unity, that we're stronger together, and that when we work as a team we both benefit, was one of the main reasons why I voted as I did.

"On the other hand, whilst I appreciate that, just as I did, you chose your vote based on what you thought was for the best, you have precipitated a huge financial collapse, destabilised my country, and threatened the future of my children, and it's hard for me to forget that, especially within a matter of hours.

"It's entirely possible that we're going to end up with a very much depleted Sixty Acre Wood, and while you might have no issue with the other animals who live here, you sided with those who did. As of yesterday, Kanga's had to go into hiding, Rabbit's marching to Christopher Robin's house demanding her immediate repatriation, and Tigger's had donkey shit shoved through his letterbox. While you might not have wanted that, you legitimised it, and decided that other animals' lives and security were collateral damage.

"It's true that you're still the small, massively overmarketed stuffed animal that you were before, but realistically I've seen another side of you that I hadn't before and it's going to take me some time to process that.

"And whenever I tried to discuss this with you beforehand, you either accused me of scaremongering or insisted on ignoring me and showing me pictures of cats instead.

"So rather than pressing me for assurances I'm in no position to make right now, I'd appreciate it if you could give me some space and allow me to get off my face on honey and grieve the future that I thought I had, which has been destroyed in the favour of the one that you've dragged me into.

"And if you don't, I'll post you to Cameron. All right?"

Idag

1. The vote has legitimised racism, whether you like it or not, that's what happened. You may not be a racist, but if you hold hands with them the result is the same.
2. Pleased you did research, but did it not tell you that we do send elected officials to the European Parliament.
3. Did you not comprehend the financial position, the pound is still dropping, oh and the EU gives us back a significant amount. Investments in places as diverse as Cornwall and Manchester.
4. We were never going to take part in the common currency. We opted out, remember?

Don't forget conscription into an EU army.

OP there were many many opportunities for you as a hard left person to understand the likely impact of this vote on ordinary working people. I attended 4 of them.

The trade unions all debated internally at great length as to the best option for working people. I hope you participated in these debates.

With the exception of the bakers union, rmt and Aslef, all unions with high membership density and able to achieve effective gains for their members through collective bargaining and strike threats, all unions, representing 6 million members, concluded that in the current climate, with the threat of an even more hard right government, and in the aftermath of the venemous trade union act, enacted this year, the best outcome was to campaign vigorously on behalf of their members for a remain vote, accepting that the EU is flawed.

The leavers, on the other hand, had just one answer - fight for a labour government and get JC made PM. Well I'm sorry but the realists in the room knew that was never going to happen.

So no, you are not racist, but you were reckless with the lives and jobs of 6 million workers, and now we will all pay the price.

Well done.

The racists are now feeling legitimised because the remain voters have told them that they are in the company of 52% of the voting public. They now think that 17 million British people are racists, because that is the lie remain voters are peddling.

If people insist on the whole "lie down with dogs you get fleas" rhetoric, lumping in all leave voters together, widening the chasm, of course the far right racists and xenophobes will believe they are part of a massive group of like minded people.

Because that is the prevailing story at the moment.

Maybe the leave voters whose poor little feelings are hurt (because really, that's what matters in all of this!?) could have a read of this:
katyboo1.wordpress.com/2016/06/27/happy-now/

In particular, since you seem to be worried about being called a racist (because that's what matters in all of this!):

'please do not tell me: ‘I’m not a racist’ if you voted leave. I get that, but I said that it would open the door to the far right, and it has and to pretend it hasn’t, and to not look or think about it is cowardly. And to say ‘I’m not a racist,’ is to imply that I’m making all this about you. I’m not, but I have a right to get angry and upset about the consequences of a decision you were a part of, however noble your intentions.'

as a leave voter you don't get to try and take the moral high ground

Yes I do.

The funniest statements I see from the Remain camp are the poor souls that state 'You have ruined by daughters/sons future'

Diddums.

The funniest statements I see from the Remain camp are the poor souls that state 'You have ruined by daughters/sons future'

Diddums

That would be the moral low ground.

They now think that 17 million British people are racists, because that is the lie remain voters are peddling.

No, that was what Farage and his poster and the leave leaflets about Turkey and the far right groups that latched on to leave were peddling.

The person who graffitied the Polish Centre in Hammersmith really couldn't care less what remain voters think.

Really, are you sure about that? You want to take the moral high ground with racism on the increase and the country heading into another recession because of your vote. Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, love.

www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-28/george-osborne-we-will-absolutely-have-to-cut-spending-and-raise-taxes/