Can we all please just grow the fuck up?

[Peppatina]

It's all getting a tad hysterical, no?

From the same people who are just yesterday calling for calm today whatever the result I'm now getting the most vile diatribe.

To hear them tell it over half those that voted are:

A) Poor or in shit jobs
B) Racists
C) Stupid and because they are less educated.
D) Old fogeys fucking up the country for the young'uns.

Is it that bloody hard to accept there were good reasons to vote EITHER way depending on your own circumstances.

The people who voted opposite to you aren't stupid because they came to a different conclusion than you did.

Honestly it's like the G.E all over again. Hatred and bile being spouted by people who are supposedly liberal and open minded but have no problem demonising half of the population and sneering at the less educated working class.

And I voted labour last election but was shocked by the reaction from my fellow losers.

Seek if remain had won, and I think the country would have been materially worse off, I would have accepted the democratic decision (as I did when Labour won a landslide in 97), understood that people had their reasons for voting as they did.

We live in a democracy. I had to acquiesce for 13 long years whilst Labour was in power, as that was what the majority wanted; the same applies here to the Remainers. I accepted that they thought their opinions were valid; and whilst I couldn't fathom why some people couldn't see Blair was a phoney and a charlatan, he was voted in 3 times iirc, I got on with life.

Your vote to remain was valid, as was mine to leave. If you can't recognise that, then I think you have the problem. People do have opposite opinions, each can be perfectly valid, even if you don't like it.

Leave,, I didn't even mention people's level of education. Just fling mud and see where it lands, whether or not it's accurate. Very leave campaign, they've taught you well.

I'm really interested in exactly how people's identity is affected by being part of the EU.

Obviously it's a shame when people lose their jobs for any reason, but I wonder how much of a rush there will be to do some of those zero hours jobs even if they become regular hour jobs.

I don't mind people raging on the radio, I was just disappointed with their reasons for doing so.

FFS get a grip. You're absolutely right OP , hysteria and utterly unfounded doom mongering. I wasn't the only one to point out one of the most dangerous points of the campaign, were the remainers believing their own bullshit. No the sky isn't falling in, no Morgan Stanley isn't moving 2000 jobs, no house prices are not going to crash (that terrifying 5% drop prediction this afternoon!) , no the ports aren't lining up ships to deport all 'foreigners', the only reason sterling and the markets went chaotic this morning were those London wankers who played the markets overnight! Tossers. It's not often I've been launched into a f-fest, but FFS, grow some balls and grow up. How dare the temper tantrum that the vote didn't go your way. How dare the online petition demand a revote until "I get what I want". The people have spoken so to be frank, it's time to shut up. Youre all looking like total spoilt dicks who can't bear to be told, no.

FTSE closed down 3%...higher than it was 5 days ago, at the same level it was 3 months ago

The highest FTSE value of recent years was about 7000, two weeks before the Referendum was presented in the Queen's speech. So, since the Referendum process started we've actually seen the FTSE drop by 13%.

It's possible that some of this drop was not caused by the Leave campaign, but as the cause is unlikely to be immigration and as there are no other obvious causes for the fall, I'm going to blame the Referendum. The market generally prices in risks when they can be predicted and so has priced in the Leave result in over the last year. Considering our economy has been doing OK recently, the effective loss is probably more.

So, that's a FTSE loss of at least 13% so far and we haven't even seen any of the negative long-term effects on the UK economy yet.

Or financial markets have recovered slightly because all those awful London elite 'experts' like Mark Carney haven't abandoned ship and are trying to make the best of a bad job. We are still no closer to knowing what on earth Brexit means for the economy, Scotland, Ireland, immigration etc. etc. and won't be for a very long time.

Honestly we will never know what would have happened had a remain vote won. However it is deluded to imagine that we don't have difficult times ahead.

in the run up to the last general election there was uncertainty and jittery nerves around the FTSE and had Labour won we would have seen an immediate sharp dip in the £ and on the stock markets then, too. There is ALWAYS a knee jerk reaction in the markets upon any announcement that signals huge change and uncertainty for the economy. It's hardly a surprise, nor does it mean major catastrophe just yet.

Clanger - actually, it was 13 april 2015, before the general election! And the low of 5530 was mid-Febuary 2016, then oil hit a low of $27 (FTSE100 is full of oil companies and miners)...go figure (it was the oil...). 7127 was the high.

The glaring difference between this and a general election is that nobody has a clue what post Brexit Britain is supposed to look like. There is no plan at all. No investor can have any clue what they would be signing up for. It's all supposed to be a big adventure as we gleefully make it up as we go along.

We don't even know what our borders will look like 5 years from now.

The Bank of England's contingency plans were well prepared for today (as they were during the Scottish referendum). It was entirely expected what Bank did today and went better than anticipated.

Reaching 7000 was an exceptional high, not normal.

Last couple of years has been downwards due to world events ie China. Also City investment houses have had huge amounts of Sovereign wealth withdrawl from Arab countries taking that "rainy day" money (the rainy day had arrived - aka "oil price").

7000, was not somehwere we would be heading back to, with or without Brexit. The trend has been down and has been 5500 etc earlier in the year. Ending over 6000 is good any day, but today it is very good.

Niece told me today of £3m "gambled" on sterling by just one client - who then instructed to sell too early in day and was rather upset as day went better than anticipated. But, hey gambling is just that: gambling - even when it is currency.

The biggest probem was Cameron and Carney talking down our economy - it was not their place to attempt to create the panic they did.

They knew it would affect the markets, but they gambled it would also scare public; plus would be lots of investors making a shed load of money in the process when the public were duly scared and voted to remain. Government would have then been able to hail a "rally" etc.

Not Armageddon, but tough day for traders- don't worry they earn well.

Apparently FTSE companies not doing very well are those in house building.

Lots have been gambling that a vote to remain would have seen more money pile into UK property. I really don't see that as a negative and am happy to see house prices go down.

I know lots aren't. There are always people that think house prices potentially going down is a good thing (ie for younger generation) and some that will think a terrible idea (worried about debt).

All investments are a gamble. No one knows what borders anywhere will look like in five years. No one knew the Iron Curtain was to fall; or war in former Yugoslavia; or Libya; or Syria; that Blair was lying about Saddam (well some suspected didn't they); or terrorist event ruining Tunisian tourism.

No one knows. Anyone that tells you they do, is a liar. Something that is for sure though based on the levels of debt Banks in Italy and Spain have - things will be very worrying for them over next months.

Being able to react and adapt to world events is the most important device an economy can have - luckily we didnt sign up and have a floating currency; also won't be shackled to the debt ridden Euro experiment that is failing all over Southern Europe. We will be in a stronger position, after initial ups and downs.

If you just read headlines and haven't paid attention to markets previously, then you will no doubt find it scary as they are being reported on the main news items, instead of going over to Bob on the Markets Desk that you tune out when he's blabbering away.

Financial news is being reported every second of the day on Bloomberg and it can be an overload of information if you can't pick out the shape of at least some of the predictable patterns that exist. The rest is just reaction, as no-one knows any day of any week what's actually going to happen in the markets.

BBC still spouting their Project Fear nonsense telling us at one point that the stock market had collapsed when it had actualy recovred much of its early loses.

I am fed up with their vitually finereal coverag . he of whta should be an event to celebrate - we are reclaiming our sovereignty.

I have heard so much nonsese from them today with claims that "nobody could have predicted this result". I have been saying for weeks that virtually everyone I met while campaigning on the high streets was Leave. Many said their whole families were Leave. Most of the bets being placed at the bookies were for Leave. Most of the money being placed at the bookies was on Leave. Th opinion polls frequently showed a Leave majority -until some opinion polls changed their methodology in mid-campaign to massage a Remain lead.

Everything was screaming aLEAVE majority but still they stuck their heads in the sand and thought that because the bookies were ignoring all this evidence and claiming Remain would win

They even promoted the squalid line that Remainers were in some way morally and educationally superior to Leave votes.

Well guess what, what everyone out there actively campaigning for leave knew was that there there would be a Leave. Yet we were told we were lying, that our reports of overwhelming support was hyperbole. That we were stupid people, little people who should listen to the 'EU-funded' experts.

I was so confident that leave would win I paced a bet on it.

There was even some idiot this afternoon claiming that leave voters didn't understand what they were voting for so the referendum should be rerun.

If they continue in this vein I shall start campaigning against their abolition. I am not prepared to fund their facist propaganda any longer. Like the elite who were trying push political union down our throats the BBC also has an incredibly London-centric misunderstanding of the feelings out there in the rest of the country.

I think a few of the remainers on MN were in fact busy stalking Farage all over the Daily Mail {joke} as they are always linking to "look what he's said/done now" rather than educating themselves on anything useful.

I voted leave and I couldn't tell you anything Farage has been up to or said. I've been busy doing my own research, reading, chatting to others and managing to never read anything about Farage. The equivalent of how offended are you at Katie Hopkins' latest comment. I couldn't tell you as I don't have a clue and don't care. It's called click bait - right? Papers give you some crap to be outraged at and you respond how they intended you to react. Boring.

Basing self esteem on the level of outrage felt on anything Farage does seems like a waste of time. Don't read about him if he offends you so much, its emminenty easy as I manage to never read about him....

Perhaps read a more informative paper and then you will understand when a story is being spun as a negative, such as today when the markets are lot better than expected.

FTSE higher last thing Friday then it was Monday. Sounds like good news to me.

The BBC are reporting the voting demographics. Younger people, who had more to gain from political union, massively voted to remain. Those with more education (including big University cities) voted to remain. Scotland voted to remain and may now split from England. The north of Ireland voted to remain and Sinn Feinn have already called for a vote on independence.

'They even promoted the squalid line that Remainers were in some way morally and educationally superior to Leave votes.'

And it unravelled as soon as they sent Gordon Brown out on the stump.

'If they continue in this vein'

They will because it is politics. They are just part of the left wing elite so they have to promote it.

'BBC also has an incredibly London-centric misunderstanding of the feelings out there in the rest of the country.'

I think they understand it very well but their job is to fool the people by not covering or giving access to the views of the people which have rocked the entire world and which are being reported on non-stop in the States and all across Europe.

Well, we'll see over next few months won't we.

Spain and Belgium have already said they will use veto to stop Scotland joining as an independent country - they have issues with separatists in both their countries.

Referendums are being requested all over Europe. I think the Commission may have to realise that a trading union is all anyone wants, unless you are a really poor country like Romania.

I think concept of the EU Commission and ECJ supremacy will be questioned more robustly by others too.

"I think the Commission may have to realise that a trading union is all anyone wants"

They can't accept that because the people behind the EU want a political union to manage 500 million people centrally. The British people have rocked the system and other countries in Europe will now end the EU.

It is a calamity for the planners which is why the political class are devastated as the plan has been derailed by the little people, the poor, the old, the ones they call "thick", the ones they say are "uneducated", the ones they say are not gaining from globalisation, the ones who stuck two fingers up.

Those with more education (including big University cities) voted to remain.

Full of left wing EU funded academics churning out pro EU propaganda funding by this mythical EU funding - which s actually a misuse of Uk tax payers money that was given to the EU to sockpuppet itself. I hope we bing this swiftly to an end.

Scotland voted to remain and may now split from England.

Good luck selling to the people of Scotland the fact that
if the vote for independence they will have to surrender it again as they are taken straight back into an EU that will require them to
adopt the Euro
fund the accession of the even poorer new EU member countries, such as Albania
accept mass uncontrolled EU migration
Let's see how keen they are then.

The north of Ireland voted to remain and Sinn Feinn have already called for a vote on independence.

Wouldn't deny any country the right to self-determination. That's democracy. Suck it up or move somewhere else.

Great posts here. Springingintoaction, claig, sommerville, leavetheroundabout.

I've been massively surprised by the MN lobby, who it would now appear to have EU funded VI. So glad to read posts reflecting the majority.

Just a small aside re the BBC, oh the upset and furore when plans to move to Salford were announced.

I'm pleased to report, the vast majority of staff love it up here, and would now be mortified to be moved back to London. It's a nice feeling when generalisations, discriminations and simple down right elitist snobbery is won over by gentle northern intelligent charm.

Now then, back to the issue in hand, who gave the lower classes a vote?!!!!
(It's been a great day for Britain, do your worst EU council, but don't underestimate us again)

I can't move elsewhere. Even though I'm a freelancer who lost my livelihood today. Thank God for the welfare state, and fingers crossed that benefits haven't been decimated by the time my savings run out.

Your relaxation about the situation in the north of Ireland astounds me though. The risk of a return to the troubles has a lot of people over there very, very scared.

Chris I don't know why you thought my post was great. I was saying the opposite of what you seem to have read.

And Somervillle has just one m.

It's an Oxford college, funnily enough. I didn't know anyone there who was putting out propaganda, SpringingIntoAction. My best friend is still there, working on Ebola vaccines, thanks to EU funding.

I can't move elsewhere.

Then you must accept the democratic decision that was made in the country you are forced to live in.

Even though I'm a freelancer who lost my livelihood today.

Still no wiser as to what all these jobs are that vaporised today- while we are still in the EU.

Thank God for the welfare state, and fingers crossed that benefits haven't been decimated by the time my savings run out.

Benefits were being decimated because the UK could not limit UK benefts to UK citiens while it reamined in the EU. Because it had to pay benefits to any qualifying EU citizen the only means of controlling that cost was to reduce benefits for all - so the habitually resident UK citizens were adversely hammered by that decision.

Your relaxation about the situation in the north of Ireland astounds me though. The risk of a return to the troubles has a lot of people over there very, very scared

Again, those people accept the democratic decision of the electorate or move elsewhere. I will not be held to ransom by a few hundred people who insist on having their own way contrary to the democratic process.

Accept the desicion

Ummm, I have. I hate it, but I can't change it. And whilst I have a second passport, for the EU country my late husband grew up in, I have children settled here and aging parents, so I can't follow the work over there.

Still no wiser
Thanks for the sympathy and human compassion.

My job straddles creative and tech fields. The companies all have smaller mainland Europe offices, and their (published... It's not a secret or hidden) plan if we left and Britain ceases membership of the single market is to expand Paris or Bonn and make London office just a small satellite. So they won't make any more hires or engage freelancers now (or so they had announced, and though I'd love them to reconsider, I don't know why they would) until it's clear whether we're in or out of the single market.

Benefits
The poor always lose the most when we go into recession. I fear a recession now. I hope the politics a do their job effectively and the EU doesn't come down too hard on us in negotiations and we somehow avoid that.

move elsewhere
Have you studied the history of the north of Ireland?! And do you not remember the dark days of the troubles? A resurgence of violence there really is of deep concern to many and really is not as simple as people leaving their country, which voted to remain, if they disagree with England (who many of them already fundamentally disagree with, since we treated them abominably for hundreds of years) voting to leave.

Benefits were being decimated because the UK could not limit UK benefts to UK citiens while it reamined in the EU.

Or more accurately they were being subsidised by immigrants who come to the UK to work and must pay taxes.

Suck it up or move somewhere else.

Yes, because that is a really helpful attitude to take in the context of Ireland. Won't cause any problems whatsoever.