Can we all please just grow the fuck up?

[Peppatina]

It's all getting a tad hysterical, no?

From the same people who are just yesterday calling for calm today whatever the result I'm now getting the most vile diatribe.

To hear them tell it over half those that voted are:

A) Poor or in shit jobs
B) Racists
C) Stupid and because they are less educated.
D) Old fogeys fucking up the country for the young'uns.

Is it that bloody hard to accept there were good reasons to vote EITHER way depending on your own circumstances.

The people who voted opposite to you aren't stupid because they came to a different conclusion than you did.

Honestly it's like the G.E all over again. Hatred and bile being spouted by people who are supposedly liberal and open minded but have no problem demonising half of the population and sneering at the less educated working class.

And I voted labour last election but was shocked by the reaction from my fellow losers.

48 to 52 is a minority.

I absolutely agree OP. I have been shocked at the smug, snobbish, superior twattery from some people I know. Democracy means that sometimes you don't get your own way

I am concerned at a trend I have noticed recently in people, largely from the left wing and well-educated who seem to think free speech is only a great thing if it is expressing their view and should be shouted down or shut down otherwise

I love how someone shouting in capitals on an internet forum is somehow more grown up than the people s/he is shouting at.

Priceless.

Which is more than be said for your £ this morning.

Umm, all I saw on here during the debate (which I did join late) was lots of shouting at remainers and cries of project fear.

Lots of misinformation (hows that 350 million figure looking now), lots of derision of independent expert analysis.

Most of all, I saw lots of posts encouraging people to be scared of the EU.

I think there was a lot of shouting and fear mongering on both sides which is why this whole referendum was an absolute joke. But what's ridiculous is since the result, people are still claiming that the leave side consisted only of racists and idiots.

For the record, I don't know a single person who voted leave that actually believed the 350 million figure.

I struggled for a long time with my vote and only came to decide stay the night before the referendum. I am Welsh living in England and I am a daughter of immigrants. My decision was based on what was best for me, my dd, the country and the rest of Europe in that order. The deciding factor was the fact that under normal circumstances I wouldn't pay any heed to the likes of Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Michael Gove or David Icke let alone trust them to provide leadership in this matter. That was my decision. How any body else made up their mind is a matter for them and is no less valid than how I made my decision. David Cameron offered the referendum to the British people on a plate without any real need to do so (a political manoeuvre that has back fired badly imo). People from all walks of life in the UK have voted and the result is in favour of leaving the EU. That is democracy Pure and simple. It is now time to act on the wishes of the majority

I think some on the remain don't actually understand the EU institutions quite as well as they think. I know this because I have been surprised at the number of people that understand it 'nearly' on here, but actually haven't researched the bits that are always omitted ie the professor video yesterday they were wetting their knickers over.

I don't think they can grasp that people, they believe are inferior to them, (leave) actually have researched and are shocked at the ECJ and its growing interference and loose wording acailable to interpretations of the treaty.

I always suspected some of the remain vote on MN, were voting purely for their own personal position - whilst shouting racist at a low paid 'uneducated' type voting for for their own personal position - double standard ?

The people on this thread have every right to feel aggrieved if their personal position has been adversely affected because of the vote. However, it is utterly repugnant that they found someone else, in the working class, voting for their own self interest - a reason to call them a racist. The poorest areas are impacted by an oversupply of cheap labour keeping wages down to minimum wage everywhere - it shouldn't be maximum wage at same time.

I voted for where the future may take us, all the time we are attached to a treaty obsessed dictatorial view of how Europe could only run with a political union, rather than simply being a mutual trade zone.

There is a lack of awareness that their choice of vote was nothing to do with their own perceived intelligence, more their own self interest.

Not judging you for that - just don't think you are in a position to despise the working class for doing the same.

What is this future you speak about?

Because from where I'm sitting, the United Kingdom and NI looks likely to cease to exist.

Sure I'll pay your mortgage.

After all you guys were right there the second my families business was destroyed by the EU.

There was concern and outrage across the country when jobs were lost as they were being undercut wasn't there.

I know you must have wept and started a relief fund when my friend the plumber lost his home as he just couldn't compete with cheap foreign labour.

People on both sides of the argument had a lot of stake in it.

I voted for where the future may take us

Could you tell us where that might be. Boris isn't in a hurry to do anything any time soon, and I think the economy wants to know.

I think we were damned if we did and damned if we didn't. I voted remain after much soul searching and inner conflict on either option! I am unemployed and live in the NE. We are facing huge manufacturing redundancies and the main employers of the area are likely to jump ship as a result of this decision. I am not happy by the result however I am an adult as as such I deal with change and work for the greater good. I will not roll over and burst into tears.

The votes have been counted and as a democracy we cant throw our dummies out the pram if it hasn't gone our way. The fighting and uncertainty will certainly affect the rise of the £ which will come up again. Its not a matter of if but went! I believe a positive, none discriminatory good solid work ethic is needed. We need to find our inner 'grit' and stand tall.

The best approach we can all adopt it to work towards is a united positive front. Britain is open for business and wants to work! We want movement of people (which we manage) and we will support and actively encourage close working relationships with our European friends. We are European and will support Europe but the people believe the EU in its current form is not what they want.

We have to stand together and take the hit personally to shorten and limit the overall impact. I have ten years before my eldest DS hits university ago. I take on the responsibility of doing what I need to help improve the next generations chances.

Moping, backbiting and sulking isn't going to help anyone! Lets respect our democracy and work hard to turn it into a good decision.

Morgan Stanley to move 2,000 jobs to Dublin or Frankfurt.

Merry -where we are going - is not attached to a failing economic zone.

read five president report. It is an absolute mad machine - that needs to stop in its tracks and listen to people of Europe. I am hopeful the commission may listen and question the five presidents direction on punitive actions on the countries that have failed to meet their fiscal targets imposed.(July onwards)

If there is consensus for referendums in rest of UK, it is their right to self determine. However, the shit that will hit the fan this year re EU zone should deter anyone from wishing to join EU. Sturgeon is either supremely uninformed on financial situation unfolding - or a mad person with a vision at all costs (bit like the commission).

THere will be further referendums in Europe - 50% in Italy, France, Germany want a referendum. sturgeon will be left talking to the wind.

Love the fact that you think we are not attached.

44% of our exports, what is good for Europe is good for us.

Leave the round about is right. Watch the rest of Europe begin to shift now. I know Greeks who want to be out. France aren't amused and Italy and Spain will twitch heavily.

Scotland leaving the UK isnt impossible but very hard to put into practice. If they do leave just remember England subsidies their free health care systems, prescriptions, free care homes, free university fees.

I want Scotland to stay. Id hate to see them leave us however its time for positive thinking and positive action.

Please also remember the Euro will collapse. If were out of the EU and have managed to get trade agreements with growing countries were less likely to be hit by it as severely.

Expecting redundancies to be announced at my work within days. It's incredibly bleak here. Everyone in tears.

Merry -where we are going - is not attached to a failing economic zone.

We are attached to the EU though. It's just there across the border from Northern Ireland and about 20 miles across the channel. We have to negotiate with them and we are going to have to sort out the situation in Ireland pronto. Now what does that look like?

OP thanks for starting this thread, your comments in particular have cheered me up. I'm a bit stunned at the attitude to democracy by some of my friends in real life!

The strength of feeling is not down to sour grapes at losing. We're not four. It's a deep sense of upset about the direction the country is going in. Also the fear about what will happen, how many companies will relocate or stop investing in the UK. It's difficult not to see xenophobia at work when nearly everyone I've heard on the radio or seen online has given immigration as the primary reason for voting leave. I really don't want to be associated with those kind of views. I'm not angry for my own life, which is unlikely to change massively, but for my country's future and that of my children. Yes I'm angry. Raging in fact. But that's what happens when your sense of identity is threatened. My view of my country as open, welcoming and tolerant has been shattered. And if that makes me intolerant, unreasonable and reactionary for a day or so, I think I'm fucking entitled. And if remain had won, I wouldn't need to defend my view as I would feel comfortable with my decision. I wonder why the leavers don't feel so sure....

Just - 1000% agree with your last post.

I strongly believe that my life may well change massively however, but that's my personal circumstances.

"Raging when sense of identity attacked."

You don't seem to be able to apply this to other people's point of view at all. I assume it must simply be the case that they are racist, rather than possibly their sense of identity feeling attacked?

Seems ok for you to be raging today, but not ok for someone you don't know on the radio to be raging. Seems like double standards.

I haven't found leavers not feeling sure today.

Still some angry remainers looking to cast 52% of the population as racist. Deep thinkers - still stereotyping people.

Perhaps set yourself a task - count up how many times you think and say racist today? Maybe it says more about you than it does about others.....Or maybe, it makes you feel good about yourself?

Is there a suitable term for someone that looks down on people they perceive to have had less education themsleves (entirely subjective clearly....!) Perhaps just plain old "nasty" covers it.

It does seem only to be the remainers that think "right what happens right NOW". Everyone on leave side seems to have the breadth of vision to understand it's not happening right now - it's an instruction to Government and a process will take place and involve plenty of discussion.

Clearly people sympathise if you are about to lose your job, just as we'd sympathise with people who felt their wages and work conditions on zero hours contracts were suppressed, due to oversupply of unskilled labour. You know people you call "racists".

People that voted leave aren't running around celebrating and making wild plans, as they understand democracy will be enacted and the multiple options will be considered carefully.

The Commision on the other hand, are trying to make it "now", but they'll be told they can wait - as we can make our own decisions in our own time. They don't get to tell us to jump anymore.

Spain has called for joint control of Gibraltar.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618796

I think perhaps we have a clue as to whether the people living in Gibraltar are keen on that idea or not based on last night's result.

I'm Irish and a friend is married in England with two kids, is primary school teacher. Asked by two pupils today when she was going home where she belongs as their parents had voted to kick out all the foreigners...,.they are 7!

Leave voters should have grown the hell up 24 hours ago - I'm so bloody sick of the fact that they've won this apparent victory and yet it won't be good enough for them until all the Remain voters quietly acquiesce and proclaim that of course the Brexiteers' opinion is entirely valid, and not motivated by racism or stupidity. Why would we? If someone thinks the polar opposite of you, and that opinion leaves the country materially worse off, why on earth would you think positively about that?

I always suspected some of the remain vote on MN, were voting purely for their own personal position - whilst shouting racist at a low paid 'uneducated' type voting for for their own personal position - double standard ?

Seriously get a grip, all the remainer i know are concerned with all the cutting red tape, social and employment protections that leave have promised etc. We fully aware that immigrants are scapegoated for decades of under investment by Tories and Nu-labour and those parties are hardly going to put their hands up to this which feeds the situation we have.