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100 reasons to vote to leave the EU

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BritBrit · 21/06/2016 18:05

A long list of 100 reasons to leave the EU

1-Control immigration & introduce a skills based system
2-The UK Parliament makes our law not the EU
3-Sign our own trade deals
4- Save £55 million a day in fees
5- Regain control of UK fishing waters
6- We will not be signed up to the TTIP
7- We can stop future EU members e.g. Turkey/Albania/Serbia get free movement to the UK
8-Withdraw from the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) so we don’t pay for EU farms
9-Cheaper food-being outside the CAP provides cheaper food prices
10-Reopen UK fisheries creating thousands of jobs
11-Cheaper energy prices-we can scrap EU green laws
12-Scrap the EU’s Common external tariff which increases the cost of imports from outside the EU (cheaper goods & food)
13-Introduce a British Bill of Rights-EU members must sign up to ECtHR
14- No chance of the UK joining the Euro in the future
15-The UK won’t be forced to join an EU army with UK armed forces under Brussels control
16-We will not have to bailout Euro countries & we just did Greece
17-We can use the money we pay the EU on Britain e.g. NHS
18-Protect UK culture & national identity
19-The UK would be an independent sovereign nation
20-We can repeal EU regulations holding back business particularly small firms
21- The UK can take back our own seat at the World Trade Organisation
22-It will be easier to crackdown on tax avoidance because EU free movement of money allows firms to avoid tax
23-Outside the EU we can require immigrants to pay for NHS treatment
24- The EU is undemocratic-Parliament will be fully accountable to Brits again
25- We could introduce a law for British jobs for British workers
26- We can charge EU students international university fees for using UK universities
27-We can stop immigrants claiming tax credits, social housing & benefits
28- The EU forbids state aid so the UK is unable to support UK industry e.g. steel
29- EU trade, when we joined the EU was 37% of world GDP it is now 17%
30- The UK is the world 5th biggest economy & EU’s biggest export market
31- The EU undermines UK democracy because we are constantly outvoted by other EU nations
32- The EU has not had its accounts signed off for 20 years
33-EU students would not be entitled to UK student loans, currently they haven’t repaid £40m
34-After Brexit,controlled immigration will increase wages & take pressure of public services
35-The trade deficit between the EU & UK is almost £92 billion a year in the EU’s favour
36- The EU waste billions of pounds of British money on useless projects.
37- We can reintroduce UK passports without the EU mark on them
38- If an EU nation gives a non EU immigrant their passport they get unrestricted access to the UK
39-The UK can act as an example to other eurosceptic EU nations & encourage them to quit e.g. Holland/France
40- The UK can control our own VAT currently the EU set the bands
41- The UK only gets 49p back from the EU for every £1 we put in
42- The EU is a threat to the UK finance sector
43- The average British household would be £1000 a year better off after Brexit
44- The UK has under 10% of MEP’s & only 1 vote of 28 in the Council
45- Open Europe says the top 100 EU rules cost the UK £33 billion to implement
46- Stop immigrants claiming child benefits for children that don’t even live in the UK
47-The UK is not able to take skilled non EU immigrants because we are overwhelmed by unskilled EU immigrants
48- Between 2009 & 2014 the UK voted against 576 EU proposals in the EU Parliament, 485 became law (84%)
49-The EU took the UK to court 23 times between 2007-2011 for not implementing EU law
50- The EU currently decide 75% of the laws affecting Britain
51-The UK lost our veto over many legal areas in the Lisbon Treaty, Qualified Majority Voting was introduced meaning the Eurozone can impose laws on the UK
52- Democratic inconsistency- the UK has 1 MEP for every 880,000 people. In Luxembourg they get 1 MEP for every 71,000 people.
53- The UK has failed to block any measure it opposed in the EU Council for 19 years since 1996.
54- Last year the EU demanded the UK pay an extra £1.7 billion to the budget & David Cameron paid.
55-EU treaties provide on Brexit we will have 2 years to negotiate a new deal
56-Leaving the EU will help solve the housing crisis because immigration will be controlled & rent prices will go down
57 Protect the greenbelt-immigration has meant we have to build on our greenbelt to provide housing
58-Stop school overcrowding & spend UK resources on educating British kids-immigration has led to massive class sizes.
59-British students are still able to study abroad because the Erasmus programme includes non EU nations.
60-The EU is responsible for many of the recent floods in the UK because the stops the UK from dredging rivers by the Water Framework Directive
61-The British people do not elect the various EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission
62-The EU has suggested that it wants to take The UK and France’s UN Security Council seats
63- The EU controls the tariffs the UK has to put on goods from non EU nations which is damaging trade particularly with Commonwealth nations.
64-The UK spends millions each year on translators (courts/hospitals/ schools etc) for EU immigrants
65-The EU is set to expand further in the future meaning the UK will lose more influence & have to open borders to more people
66-10,000 EU employees earn more than the British Prime Minister & we are paying for it
67-The EU courts have recently overruled UK tax law & ordered the UK to pay back big business taxes they paid, estimated to reach £50 billion
68- David Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ achieves nothing & has not been adopted by the EU, it can be ignored by the EU Parliament or overruled by the EU courts
69- The EU spends £500 million a year of taxpayer money creating pro EU propaganda
70-The British people cannot vote out the leaders of the EU like we can a Westminster government
71-Policies widely supported by the public e.g. railway renationalisation are illegal whilst we are in the EU
72- The EU allows the live importation of animals, the UK cannot ban it
73-The EU Clinical Trials Directive 2004 has ruined the UK research sector, in 2000 the UK conducted 6% of all trials, in 2010 it was 1.4%
74-The EU fine UK universities if they do not fly the EU flag, the University of Northampton was fined £56,000
75-The fundamental aim of the EU is to create a European superstate, the UK will not be a nation but a region controlled by the EU
76-Outside the EU the UK can create a free trade deal with the EU to maintain free trade
77-If the UK votes to stay in the EU, it will be taken by the EU as permission from the British people to do whatever they want and impose more integration on us
78-The EU have just delayed the next EU budget until after the EU referendum, expect more massive increases
79-The European Arrest Warrant allows Brits to be taken to other EU countries without a trial
80-The EU makes a terrorist attack more likely because we cannot stop EU immigrants entering the UK e.g. one of the Paris attackers travelled to the UK
81-During the recent immigration crisis millions have entered the EU, as soon as they get an EU passport they have the right to enter the UK & use our NHS/schools/benefits etc
82-The EU is not responsible for peace in Europe, Nato is, for instance during the Balkan war it was the USA & UK that led efforts to stop it not the EU
83-All the groups who are telling the UK to stay in the EU have vested interests in the EU e.g. the IMF bailout Greece & those organisations all said the UK had to join the Euro
84-The EU spends millions moving operations to Strasbourg from Brussels that UK taxpayers pay for
85-Worker rights DO NOT depend on the EU e.g. the UK had holiday rights in 1938, Equal Pay in 1970 & race/sex discrimination laws introduced before we joined
86-The UK has better maternity rights than EU law provides providing more time off & better maternity pay
87- When the UK joined the EU we had 18% of MEP’s in the EU Parliament, we now have only 9.7%
88- The EU is currently planning to take control of UK taxes with a vote in May giving every EU citizen an EU tax identification number
89- The European Health Card (which includes non EU nations) has been used by immigrants living in the UK to claim for treatment in their home countries we pay for
90- 800,000 UK jobs have been advertised on an EU jobs website advertising our jobs to EU immigrants, more jobs than all other EU nations combined
91- We cannot let more skilled Commonwealth immigrants into the UK who we have more in common with because we have open borders to unskilled EU immigrants
92- When the UK joined the EU we had 17% of the vote in the EU Council, we now only have 8%
93- If the UK quits the EU it will encourage other EU nations to also leave
94- From 2005-2014 the NHS paid £1.3 billion for EU immigrants giving birth on the NHS
95- The EU has just voted for new Port Regulations effectively seizing control of UK ports
96- The UK is still a member of other international organisations e.g. the UN, WTO, NATO where we can work with other nations & protect our interests
97- Tory Minister has admitted that UK governments use the EU to pass unpopular laws they couldn’t get passed by the UK Parliament
98- The UK effectively has open borders to the entire world because any non EU national who marries an EU citizen can come to the UK
99-The EU is never going to reform, David Cameron tried & failed to get major reform
100- Vote to Leave and David Cameron & George Osborne will have to resign & be out of power

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BumbleNova · 22/06/2016 19:03

plus - do you really think that unshackled by EU employment /human rights law the tories are going to look after low paid workers? they will sell off further rights to help their big business mates.

I think ordinary working people will be much worse off. lots of EU legislation has been hugely beneficial for the average worker.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 19:37

Bumble: our lowest paid have nothing to lose anymore.

You underestimate how difficult it is at the bottom. have you not seen reports on our working poor? Zero hours contracts and no job security either due to oversupply of labour. No one has to offer our poor anything any more.

The labour party are a disgrace on this issue.

See Gisela Stuart (Labour) on the reason why those on the left are just following some outdated view of the EU because they imposed minimums on workers rights.

Our UK goverments have far exceeded all the minimums - we should fear them being reduced to the EU minimum, as Corbyn was suggesting the answer to free movement of people would be to harmonise and take away competition ie all working conditions being the same throughout the EU - that is up for some, but certainly down for us.

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 22/06/2016 19:40

our lowest paid have nothing to lose anymore.

Bollocks.

borntobequiet · 22/06/2016 19:45

OP, you are certainly keen.
Unfortunately, also wrong.
Lists and assertions are not arguments.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 20:10

"You underestimate how difficult it is at the bottom. have you not seen reports on our working poor? Zero hours contracts and no job security either due to oversupply of labour. No one has to offer our poor anything any more."

And when no further immigrants are allowed in, magically there will be super contracts for unskilled people, excellent housing and schooling for all white english people. yeah right. more likely that companies will take their business elsewhere so less employment, less money through taxes for the nhs and the needy.

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 22/06/2016 20:18

British people won't take those jobs for same reason they don't now - because they do not provide secure hours and a living wage sufficient to bring up a family.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 20:18

bac: 85% of British companies have nothing to do with EUzone. The exports issue is always being discussed - but our country is predominatly made up of small and medium businesses that don't have anything to do with EU but have to adhere to constantly changing rules. (Those EU lobbyists have to keep themsevles busy after all).

Trade agreements will be achieved - or WTO will take over in two years etc.

Our economy won't go down the pan and we can reshape itself too and new opportunites will open up, not shakled to the failing EUzone.

You never know, that Polish cleaner of yours might be able to charge a few quid an hour more - if she's not competing with ever more new oversupply arriving. See - you'd have a bit less to spend on yourself, but you may have to pay a fair wage for a fair job. Society.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 20:24

Been: ah you mean that "Edwardian serving class" that you can pay peanuts to aka EU free movement.

I think we'd like fair wages for people and not jobs where people can treat people as disposable items.

If it is genuinely a purely seasonal role - then they will still have low paid foreigners willing to do a stint.

If the business isn't viable without treating people like this - then it will fail and something will take it's place ie a family working together and sharing the responsibilites. Like it was before the corporates could just strip profit out of people and drive local businesses into the ground.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 20:32

Leave out of interest, who deserves these fair English employment contracts? All those born in the UK? Or people who can prove their family tree is English for several generations? What would work best in your proposed model? Would my family qualify for these English jobs in your opinion? We have lived here for many years and have naturalised? What do you think?

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 23:02

bac; you like to over complicate things.

Simple and the way it alwasy is and was. Anyone that has a right to live and work here legally.

With UK history of immigration you'd be hard pressed to find anyone a few generations back that is completely British.

Future governments set terms on immigration policies. Anyone currently here under the EU treaty would be entitled to those rights indefinitely under international law.

As you had a daft question for me, I have a daft hypothetical question for you:

Would you be happy to extend free movement of people to the rest of the world, only refuse entry to people that have criminal record. If not, why not. Do you have a problem with the concept of not knowing how many people that may bring here?

Or do you genuinely believe there is no upper limit to immigration?

The EU treaty brings free movement of people, however us objecting to being subject to that treaty and not able to self determine our upper limit - is not the issue for remain - they say that is a cover for racism.

So that means that remain dismiss the treaty issue completely - in which case I assume remain are in favour of free movement of people from anywhere in the world irrespective of numbers.

bacimamma · 23/06/2016 08:12

"bac; you like to over complicate things."
sorry leave that you have found my question to complicated, is there any way i can help clarify further or rephrase or put present the issues more simplistically?

bacimamma · 23/06/2016 08:13

sorry leave that you have found my question to complicated, is there any way i can help clarify further, rephrase or present the issues more simplistically?

IrishDad79 · 23/06/2016 08:19

I'm still waiting on the leavers to expand on point 25 and the introduction of a law for British jobs for British workers. Can you confirm;

  1. will this law mean British companies can openly state "Brits only need apply" in their advertisements?

  2. will this law mean British companies will be forbidden from hiring non-Brits even if they wanted to, as the new law specifically states these jobs are for British workers?

  3. will this new law mean that non-Brits currently in employment will be removed from their role and replaced by British workers?

  4. if the answer to 3 is yes, will these non-Brits and their families be forcibly deported from the UK, seeing that the new law has prohibited them from working?

  5. Will there be another country in the developed world with a law which allows (or obliges) companies to discriminate on the basis of nationality, or will the Uk be the only one?

BumbleNova · 23/06/2016 12:28

our lowest paid have nothing to lose anymore

I beg to differ. I agree labour are useless but quitting the EU will make things so much worse.

you do know that the amount of hours you can work before you get a break etc is all EU legislation?

there has been a hugely beneficial left of centre influence on our employment legislation from the EU.

it frightens me that people do not know that!

gonetoseeamanaboutadog · 23/06/2016 12:46

Yes bumble it's incredibly reckless to think the lowest paid have such a poor deal that their suffering couldn't be increased so why consider what will happen to them after brexit. Without diminishing the struggles our vulnerable classes are enduring, it could be a lot worse - they stand to lose the little they have.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 23/06/2016 13:18

www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/jan/30/brown-british-jobs-workers

Think maybe ask Gordon Brown - as I think that's his quote - he probably knows more about what he meant by it.... It wasn't a quote of mine - so maybe find someone else to play "spot the racist with"?

Just wondering have you ever counted up how many times a day you think and say "racist"? I assume it makes you feel good in some way, some sort of rush you get? You know like witch hunters Grin

Bac: come on, I answered your daft question.

Answer mine: Are you in favour of free movement of people into the UK from outside the EU? If not, why not?

Is it because numbers couldn't possibly be known and how would we plan? Or are you in favour -(what with it just being a racist issue rather than a self determination treaty issue).

There are plenty of poor countries set to join in next few years for sure Albania, Montenegro etc . We already have countries as poor as Bulgaria and Romania - it is financially sensible for them to come to the UK for work. So not sure I buy the argument that the "rest of the world is poorer".

I assume your stance must be free movement of people from anywhere in to the UK? Not a treaty issue you insist, it is a racist issue? So forget the treaty then - why not rest of the world free movement here? Really, why don't we suggest it as the way forward - it probably will be one day anyway as it will suit big companies in search of cheap labour.

What is your opinion - free movement here from rest of world? Okay with you, or not? Be careful though - it might be "racist" to say you weren't happy with free movement of people from anywhere. What a pickle

BumbleNova · 23/06/2016 16:06

leave you know that the free movement of people is part of a specific trade deal right? it isnt a stand alone right - it comes with benefits and also dont forget - lots of brits also take advantage of it. it has led to increased immigration but the free trade has been very beneficial for our economy.

also critically - both Switzerland and Norway have free movement of people as part of their trade deals with the EU. Switzerland in particular has many more EU nationals per capita than the UK.

so if we Brexit - we may not be able to turn of free movement unless we turn off free trade. I very much doubt EU member states would accept that deal.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 24/06/2016 13:57

My point was forget the treaty - I voted leave as I object to treaty removing self determination.

Cries of - it's a cover for racism all over MN - with no acknowledgment of what's an okay upper limit for immigration.

Therefore, my hypothetical point is to ask the question :what reason for not having freedom of movement from world - and ask yourself -

Would it be racist for you to decide it wouldn't work because uncontrolled numbers and not part of treaty. Remember - more immigration equals more taxes, say remain.

We really don't benefit from Albania joining or Bulgaria being a member etc .

If you aren't in favour of above - would you understand someone calling you racist for that view? Or would you think hey weren't using rational thought about how to plan population growth?

Remain said leave voters don't object to treaty - they say we object to 'forriners'.

BreakingDad77 · 24/06/2016 14:23

Leave is split between those who want some freedom of movement and maybe expand to the commonwealth to those who want none.

One of those is definitely not going to get what the want.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 24/06/2016 16:16

Yes that's democracy - it will debated and somewhere pretty much down the middle ground will be found.

There are plenty of crazy views on left and right - twitter is alive with anti- semetic hate messages - not to mention the Labour movement.

Whoops ! Am I allowed to say that about Labour party members?

I know to call "leave" voters "racist" makes a person superior and "good".

Phew, it must make me a "good" person to call people in the Labour party "anti-semitic".

That's a relief.

BreakingDad77 · 24/06/2016 16:44

Lol leavetheroundabout - there is no middle ground.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 25/06/2016 12:02

Oh so you are saying all Labour Party members are anti Semitic.

Candid. Thanks.

Sorry if I sound 'dim' bit it's exactly the remainer psychology . I'm not dim - sounds like you are saying you are - you believe there to be no middle ground remember . Only extremists.

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