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100 reasons to vote to leave the EU

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BritBrit · 21/06/2016 18:05

A long list of 100 reasons to leave the EU

1-Control immigration & introduce a skills based system
2-The UK Parliament makes our law not the EU
3-Sign our own trade deals
4- Save £55 million a day in fees
5- Regain control of UK fishing waters
6- We will not be signed up to the TTIP
7- We can stop future EU members e.g. Turkey/Albania/Serbia get free movement to the UK
8-Withdraw from the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) so we don’t pay for EU farms
9-Cheaper food-being outside the CAP provides cheaper food prices
10-Reopen UK fisheries creating thousands of jobs
11-Cheaper energy prices-we can scrap EU green laws
12-Scrap the EU’s Common external tariff which increases the cost of imports from outside the EU (cheaper goods & food)
13-Introduce a British Bill of Rights-EU members must sign up to ECtHR
14- No chance of the UK joining the Euro in the future
15-The UK won’t be forced to join an EU army with UK armed forces under Brussels control
16-We will not have to bailout Euro countries & we just did Greece
17-We can use the money we pay the EU on Britain e.g. NHS
18-Protect UK culture & national identity
19-The UK would be an independent sovereign nation
20-We can repeal EU regulations holding back business particularly small firms
21- The UK can take back our own seat at the World Trade Organisation
22-It will be easier to crackdown on tax avoidance because EU free movement of money allows firms to avoid tax
23-Outside the EU we can require immigrants to pay for NHS treatment
24- The EU is undemocratic-Parliament will be fully accountable to Brits again
25- We could introduce a law for British jobs for British workers
26- We can charge EU students international university fees for using UK universities
27-We can stop immigrants claiming tax credits, social housing & benefits
28- The EU forbids state aid so the UK is unable to support UK industry e.g. steel
29- EU trade, when we joined the EU was 37% of world GDP it is now 17%
30- The UK is the world 5th biggest economy & EU’s biggest export market
31- The EU undermines UK democracy because we are constantly outvoted by other EU nations
32- The EU has not had its accounts signed off for 20 years
33-EU students would not be entitled to UK student loans, currently they haven’t repaid £40m
34-After Brexit,controlled immigration will increase wages & take pressure of public services
35-The trade deficit between the EU & UK is almost £92 billion a year in the EU’s favour
36- The EU waste billions of pounds of British money on useless projects.
37- We can reintroduce UK passports without the EU mark on them
38- If an EU nation gives a non EU immigrant their passport they get unrestricted access to the UK
39-The UK can act as an example to other eurosceptic EU nations & encourage them to quit e.g. Holland/France
40- The UK can control our own VAT currently the EU set the bands
41- The UK only gets 49p back from the EU for every £1 we put in
42- The EU is a threat to the UK finance sector
43- The average British household would be £1000 a year better off after Brexit
44- The UK has under 10% of MEP’s & only 1 vote of 28 in the Council
45- Open Europe says the top 100 EU rules cost the UK £33 billion to implement
46- Stop immigrants claiming child benefits for children that don’t even live in the UK
47-The UK is not able to take skilled non EU immigrants because we are overwhelmed by unskilled EU immigrants
48- Between 2009 & 2014 the UK voted against 576 EU proposals in the EU Parliament, 485 became law (84%)
49-The EU took the UK to court 23 times between 2007-2011 for not implementing EU law
50- The EU currently decide 75% of the laws affecting Britain
51-The UK lost our veto over many legal areas in the Lisbon Treaty, Qualified Majority Voting was introduced meaning the Eurozone can impose laws on the UK
52- Democratic inconsistency- the UK has 1 MEP for every 880,000 people. In Luxembourg they get 1 MEP for every 71,000 people.
53- The UK has failed to block any measure it opposed in the EU Council for 19 years since 1996.
54- Last year the EU demanded the UK pay an extra £1.7 billion to the budget & David Cameron paid.
55-EU treaties provide on Brexit we will have 2 years to negotiate a new deal
56-Leaving the EU will help solve the housing crisis because immigration will be controlled & rent prices will go down
57 Protect the greenbelt-immigration has meant we have to build on our greenbelt to provide housing
58-Stop school overcrowding & spend UK resources on educating British kids-immigration has led to massive class sizes.
59-British students are still able to study abroad because the Erasmus programme includes non EU nations.
60-The EU is responsible for many of the recent floods in the UK because the stops the UK from dredging rivers by the Water Framework Directive
61-The British people do not elect the various EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission
62-The EU has suggested that it wants to take The UK and France’s UN Security Council seats
63- The EU controls the tariffs the UK has to put on goods from non EU nations which is damaging trade particularly with Commonwealth nations.
64-The UK spends millions each year on translators (courts/hospitals/ schools etc) for EU immigrants
65-The EU is set to expand further in the future meaning the UK will lose more influence & have to open borders to more people
66-10,000 EU employees earn more than the British Prime Minister & we are paying for it
67-The EU courts have recently overruled UK tax law & ordered the UK to pay back big business taxes they paid, estimated to reach £50 billion
68- David Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ achieves nothing & has not been adopted by the EU, it can be ignored by the EU Parliament or overruled by the EU courts
69- The EU spends £500 million a year of taxpayer money creating pro EU propaganda
70-The British people cannot vote out the leaders of the EU like we can a Westminster government
71-Policies widely supported by the public e.g. railway renationalisation are illegal whilst we are in the EU
72- The EU allows the live importation of animals, the UK cannot ban it
73-The EU Clinical Trials Directive 2004 has ruined the UK research sector, in 2000 the UK conducted 6% of all trials, in 2010 it was 1.4%
74-The EU fine UK universities if they do not fly the EU flag, the University of Northampton was fined £56,000
75-The fundamental aim of the EU is to create a European superstate, the UK will not be a nation but a region controlled by the EU
76-Outside the EU the UK can create a free trade deal with the EU to maintain free trade
77-If the UK votes to stay in the EU, it will be taken by the EU as permission from the British people to do whatever they want and impose more integration on us
78-The EU have just delayed the next EU budget until after the EU referendum, expect more massive increases
79-The European Arrest Warrant allows Brits to be taken to other EU countries without a trial
80-The EU makes a terrorist attack more likely because we cannot stop EU immigrants entering the UK e.g. one of the Paris attackers travelled to the UK
81-During the recent immigration crisis millions have entered the EU, as soon as they get an EU passport they have the right to enter the UK & use our NHS/schools/benefits etc
82-The EU is not responsible for peace in Europe, Nato is, for instance during the Balkan war it was the USA & UK that led efforts to stop it not the EU
83-All the groups who are telling the UK to stay in the EU have vested interests in the EU e.g. the IMF bailout Greece & those organisations all said the UK had to join the Euro
84-The EU spends millions moving operations to Strasbourg from Brussels that UK taxpayers pay for
85-Worker rights DO NOT depend on the EU e.g. the UK had holiday rights in 1938, Equal Pay in 1970 & race/sex discrimination laws introduced before we joined
86-The UK has better maternity rights than EU law provides providing more time off & better maternity pay
87- When the UK joined the EU we had 18% of MEP’s in the EU Parliament, we now have only 9.7%
88- The EU is currently planning to take control of UK taxes with a vote in May giving every EU citizen an EU tax identification number
89- The European Health Card (which includes non EU nations) has been used by immigrants living in the UK to claim for treatment in their home countries we pay for
90- 800,000 UK jobs have been advertised on an EU jobs website advertising our jobs to EU immigrants, more jobs than all other EU nations combined
91- We cannot let more skilled Commonwealth immigrants into the UK who we have more in common with because we have open borders to unskilled EU immigrants
92- When the UK joined the EU we had 17% of the vote in the EU Council, we now only have 8%
93- If the UK quits the EU it will encourage other EU nations to also leave
94- From 2005-2014 the NHS paid £1.3 billion for EU immigrants giving birth on the NHS
95- The EU has just voted for new Port Regulations effectively seizing control of UK ports
96- The UK is still a member of other international organisations e.g. the UN, WTO, NATO where we can work with other nations & protect our interests
97- Tory Minister has admitted that UK governments use the EU to pass unpopular laws they couldn’t get passed by the UK Parliament
98- The UK effectively has open borders to the entire world because any non EU national who marries an EU citizen can come to the UK
99-The EU is never going to reform, David Cameron tried & failed to get major reform
100- Vote to Leave and David Cameron & George Osborne will have to resign & be out of power

OP posts:
bacimamma · 22/06/2016 09:06

That's globalisation for you isn't it though grass? Maybe if the changes hadn't been supported by the EU the brands listed in your post would no longer exist?

As long copied and pasted lists seems to be the rage, here some remain stats:

Over 3 million UK jobs are linked to our trade with the EU: one in every ten jobs in this country (Source: HM Treasury).

Being in the EU will create 790,000 more UK jobs by 2030 (Source: Centre for Economic and Business Research), creating more opportunities for you and your family.

In the EU you can find work, holiday and retire without visas, and study abroad on the Erasmus programme, offering you and your family even more ways to get on in life.

If we leave the EU experts predict that the economic hit would mean up to 950,000 UK jobs could be lost (Source: Confederation of British Industry), meaning less security for you and your family.

Being in the EU means you pay less for your weekly food shop, but also petrol, energy bills, flights and mobile roaming charges (Source: The Treasury).

It's estimated that saves your family £350 a year through lower prices (Source: London School of Economics), meaning more money in your pocket and more security for your family.

There would be a period of instability during the 2-10 years of negotiations, and economic experts predict a dramatic devaluation in the pound, and a fall in the value of your home and pension.

You and your family would feel the impact in higher prices on everything from supermarket shopping to fuel – even holidays abroad would be much more expensive.

Our government would have to negotiate new trade relationships with the EU and many other countries worldwide. European leaders have confirmed that they would not give the UK any special treatment on access to trade in the EU single market. British firms would have to pay tariffs to trade, a new cost for them that would mean less trade, fewer businesses and fewer jobs for you and your family.

After two years, the UK would automatically lose access to all arrangements with the EU, including trade deals, EU funding and rights to free travel, unless all EU states agree to extend talks.

We would lose vital EU funding for the farming, scientific and medical research and programmes that make a real difference in your local community, including job-creation schemes for young people to infrastructure projects that improve your everyday life, including broadband networks, better roads and new bridges. In a recession, our government would not be able to replace these grants even if they wanted to.

Showmethewaytogohome · 22/06/2016 09:12

bacimamma Great post - really understandable thank you

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 09:33

Thanks Show however I copy, pasted it from somewhere (sorry!), now can't find the source.

Winterbiscuit · 22/06/2016 10:12

3 million jobs may be "linked to trade with the EU", but it doesn't mean they depend on Britain's membership of the EU. They're linked to exports, not membership.

IrishDad79 · 22/06/2016 11:01

I'm sure Spanish people aren't exactly thrilled at millions of British oaps clogging up their hospitals either.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 11:06

It's like brexiters want to go back to the 1950s. they don't realise that we live in a globalised world and that the EU gives us extra power and protection in this globalised word.

Saying that, there are issue with poor economies mixing with richer ones creating a version of the North south divide in the EU. people from Eastern European and poorer countries will move and seek work in well off European countries but not vice versa. this ought to be addressed in a general overhaul of EU principles rather than cutting ourselves off completely.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 11:20

From the guardian; another massive copy paste job

But the signs are ominous. The referendum campaign has created an atmosphere of hostility towards immigrants, in ways I have never experienced in my 18 years in this country. We are being blamed for the state of public services such as health, housing and education, and for undercutting wages, even though the real culprits – chronic underinvestment, poor planning, ineffective governance and watered-down labour laws – are entirely homemade...

It’s not you, it’s them’
I have been told: “It’s not about people like you, it’s the others.” I am, apparently, a “useful” foreigner. So who are the others they are talking about? The Polish plumbers? The Lithuanian fruit pickers? The Spanish nurses? The Greek doctors? Or is it the benefit tourists, those mythical creatures that, like the Loch Ness monster, have never actually been spotted, but that surely must exist, given the amount of conversation about them?

Even in the event of a vote to Remain, it will be difficult to control the forces that have been unleashed in this campaign. And it is difficult to imagine what the UK would turn into after a Brexit, possibly under the leadership of Messrs Johnson, Gove and Farage. What is certain, however, is that it will no longer be the country that embraced me – and that I fell in love with – all those years ago.

I don’t know whether I would be allowed to stay, but, like many others, I am beginning to wonder why I would want to. I would hate to leave the country that has been my home for almost 20 years and that has been so good to me – but if it comes to that, the real loser will be Britain.

IrishDad79 · 22/06/2016 11:27
  1. Introduce a law for British jobs for British people

Wow. So, post brexit, British companies can advertise jobs saying "Only Brits Need Apply" or will they also be allowed discriminate on skin colour, religion etc.?

From my own point of view, my brother is a scumbag immigrant in the UK, post Brexit when this Brits-only law is introduced, will he have to give up his job to a born-and-bred Brit and will he be subsequently deported?

Can you expand on point 25, op?

IrishDad79 · 22/06/2016 11:33

I count that the op mentions "immigration/immigrants" 18 times in his/her "manifesto".

Winterbiscuit · 22/06/2016 11:37

It's like brexiters want to go back to the 1950s

Or is it the remainers? This writer of this Telegraph article says the EU was about building a superstate "from day one", so it's not a recent idea.

How a secretive elite created the EU to build a world government

"Voters in Britain's referendum need to understand that the European Union was about building a federal superstate from day one"

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 11:48

Yes Irish lovely sentiments all around. Reminds me a little bit of Germany ca.1930s. From the Guardian article what stands out for me is:

I don’t know whether I would be allowed to stay, but, like many others, I am beginning to wonder why I would want to. I would hate to leave the country that has been my home for almost 20 years and that has been so good to me – but if it comes to that, the real loser will be Britain.

After all the xenophobic sentiment has been whipped up, I am not sure I want to remain in this country to raise my multi-European family Brexit or no Brexit. My DC see themselves as English, we are high tax payers have lived here for a couple of decades we are integrated and came to love this country. But clearly we are no longer welcome. I actually think that if the UK vote remain, we'll sell our house as hopefully the pound and house prices will remain stable and move back to my home country where we will do nicely. This will have the added benefit that people won't stare at me like i have 7 heads when it becomes clear that I have a European accent. I look forward to going home. We will have to stay in the case of Brexit though due to financial reasons.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 11:50

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RitchyBestingFace · 22/06/2016 11:53

Winter biscuit
300 actors, writers, musicians and artists wrote a letter to the Telegraph to back Remain
90% of British Fashion Council members back remain
Scottish creative council backs remain

I work in one of the arts mentioned - 90% of my colleagues will vote Remain.

You do know how many people the creative industries employ in the UK? Do you know how much job creation there is by these people you dismiss as out of touch millionaires? Most of us are not rich by any means.

Lico · 22/06/2016 12:01

Thanks Bacimamma,
Would it be possible to post a link to the Guardian article please?
This article articulates exactly the way I feel after 35 years+ in this country. I set up a company that employed 25 people and subsequently sold it to raise my family. Last Saturday, I received verbal abuse whilst shopping locally because of my accent. My MIL has developed , in the last few months, an entitlement to be racist towards me.
I have found that unacceptable opinions are now considered fair game. This is the first time I have encountered such vitriol towards foreigners. So, so sad .

Winterbiscuit · 22/06/2016 12:03

A few more interesting articles on the EU's history:

Europe is becoming an undemocratic continent where force matters more than law (Guardian)

The EU's architects never meant it to be a democracy (Telegraph)

Founders of the EU always planned for a superstate (Express)

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 12:31

"My MIL has developed , in the last few months, an entitlement to be racist towards me.I have found that unacceptable opinions are now considered fair game. This is the first time I have encountered such vitriol towards foreigners. So, so sad ."

Thanks lico its ugly isn't it? Well, if it weren't the immigrants, your MIL would probably direct her unpleasantries to other population groups. a bigot is a bigot.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 13:01

Winter forgive me for not being able to take you seriously. You are presenting content from the Express Grin well known for its editorial sophistication. The same online 'newspaper' that has breaking news headlines such as this
ROSWELL BREAKTHROUGH: Woman claims she handled 'unbreakable wreckage from UFO crash

Whoever said that brexiters are like Creationists is completely right. i think it was the lawyer Professor Michael Dougan.

Lico · 22/06/2016 13:09

Thanks Bacimamma.
The whole hysteria against foreigners is ugly and worrying.
As you say, a bigot is a bigot.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 13:11

Yes bac, dealt with the Professor on another post - a highly biased view of someone on the Remain side.

He is a Professor on EU law precisely because he has a very favourable view of it. His opinion is sought because we find ourselves in a mire of overly complex laws applying to British companies enforced by ECJ.

I read the Guardian, along with many other newspapers and I must say they are very mixed as to the standard of research by some of their journalists. Disappointingly so.

The comments section on the Guardian (when it is allowed, as theyre not keen on dissenting voices) does have some very educated and informed views often though.

Your smugness really suits you your level of insight. Well done you.

bacimamma · 22/06/2016 13:18

"Your smugness really suits you your level of insight. Well done you."

Smugness? No.
I'm not smug but I do feel bitter and worried due to being at the receiving end of xenophobic attitudes after contributing in a myriad of ways to a country I have grown to love but that doesn't want me or my family anymore. You are the one that sounds smug with all due respect.

Winterbiscuit · 22/06/2016 13:41

"You are presenting content from the Express"

And the Guardian, and the Telegraph, to show a range of people talking about the same thing.

"Whoever said that brexiters are like Creationists is completely right"

No, they're completely wrong, unless you think half the voting population are "like Creationists"? I think in many ways it's the remain side who have their heads in the sand, ignoring the negative things about the EU which can't be reformed.

I'm sorry to hear you've been on the receiving end of xenophobia. That's definitely not something that the ordinary, moderate majority of people on either side would support. Unfortunately some of the more extreme voices have been given far more than their fair share of airtime.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 22/06/2016 13:53

People saying they wish to restore sovereignty to UK isn't smug, I'm afraid.

Calling people racist for wishing to return supremacy of our own Courts is nothing to do with race.

Being called "racist", for wishing to return democracy - I'm sure there would be some that would consider that makes me a "victim" too....

However, I wouldn't choose victimhood as a status, so won't perceive that my position is xenophobic because you "feel" it is. Freedom of speech and all that. That's what is good about our democracy.

If you wish to perceive yourself as a victim of a debate about our democracy which also takes into account our law making decisions on whether we can set a figure on yearly immigation - then you are free to do so.

IrishDad79 · 22/06/2016 14:02

Do the vote leave supporters on this site agree with the op's point number 25 about a law for British jobs for British workers, post brexit?

KP86 · 22/06/2016 14:08

Do your anti-immigrant rants apply only to people from the EU or from anywhere in the world?

Do you realise that a lot of these benefits are reciprocal?

Bah! Can't wait for tomorrow to be over.