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Brexit

100 reasons to vote to leave the EU

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BritBrit · 21/06/2016 18:05

A long list of 100 reasons to leave the EU

1-Control immigration & introduce a skills based system
2-The UK Parliament makes our law not the EU
3-Sign our own trade deals
4- Save £55 million a day in fees
5- Regain control of UK fishing waters
6- We will not be signed up to the TTIP
7- We can stop future EU members e.g. Turkey/Albania/Serbia get free movement to the UK
8-Withdraw from the Common Agriculture Policy (CAP) so we don’t pay for EU farms
9-Cheaper food-being outside the CAP provides cheaper food prices
10-Reopen UK fisheries creating thousands of jobs
11-Cheaper energy prices-we can scrap EU green laws
12-Scrap the EU’s Common external tariff which increases the cost of imports from outside the EU (cheaper goods & food)
13-Introduce a British Bill of Rights-EU members must sign up to ECtHR
14- No chance of the UK joining the Euro in the future
15-The UK won’t be forced to join an EU army with UK armed forces under Brussels control
16-We will not have to bailout Euro countries & we just did Greece
17-We can use the money we pay the EU on Britain e.g. NHS
18-Protect UK culture & national identity
19-The UK would be an independent sovereign nation
20-We can repeal EU regulations holding back business particularly small firms
21- The UK can take back our own seat at the World Trade Organisation
22-It will be easier to crackdown on tax avoidance because EU free movement of money allows firms to avoid tax
23-Outside the EU we can require immigrants to pay for NHS treatment
24- The EU is undemocratic-Parliament will be fully accountable to Brits again
25- We could introduce a law for British jobs for British workers
26- We can charge EU students international university fees for using UK universities
27-We can stop immigrants claiming tax credits, social housing & benefits
28- The EU forbids state aid so the UK is unable to support UK industry e.g. steel
29- EU trade, when we joined the EU was 37% of world GDP it is now 17%
30- The UK is the world 5th biggest economy & EU’s biggest export market
31- The EU undermines UK democracy because we are constantly outvoted by other EU nations
32- The EU has not had its accounts signed off for 20 years
33-EU students would not be entitled to UK student loans, currently they haven’t repaid £40m
34-After Brexit,controlled immigration will increase wages & take pressure of public services
35-The trade deficit between the EU & UK is almost £92 billion a year in the EU’s favour
36- The EU waste billions of pounds of British money on useless projects.
37- We can reintroduce UK passports without the EU mark on them
38- If an EU nation gives a non EU immigrant their passport they get unrestricted access to the UK
39-The UK can act as an example to other eurosceptic EU nations & encourage them to quit e.g. Holland/France
40- The UK can control our own VAT currently the EU set the bands
41- The UK only gets 49p back from the EU for every £1 we put in
42- The EU is a threat to the UK finance sector
43- The average British household would be £1000 a year better off after Brexit
44- The UK has under 10% of MEP’s & only 1 vote of 28 in the Council
45- Open Europe says the top 100 EU rules cost the UK £33 billion to implement
46- Stop immigrants claiming child benefits for children that don’t even live in the UK
47-The UK is not able to take skilled non EU immigrants because we are overwhelmed by unskilled EU immigrants
48- Between 2009 & 2014 the UK voted against 576 EU proposals in the EU Parliament, 485 became law (84%)
49-The EU took the UK to court 23 times between 2007-2011 for not implementing EU law
50- The EU currently decide 75% of the laws affecting Britain
51-The UK lost our veto over many legal areas in the Lisbon Treaty, Qualified Majority Voting was introduced meaning the Eurozone can impose laws on the UK
52- Democratic inconsistency- the UK has 1 MEP for every 880,000 people. In Luxembourg they get 1 MEP for every 71,000 people.
53- The UK has failed to block any measure it opposed in the EU Council for 19 years since 1996.
54- Last year the EU demanded the UK pay an extra £1.7 billion to the budget & David Cameron paid.
55-EU treaties provide on Brexit we will have 2 years to negotiate a new deal
56-Leaving the EU will help solve the housing crisis because immigration will be controlled & rent prices will go down
57 Protect the greenbelt-immigration has meant we have to build on our greenbelt to provide housing
58-Stop school overcrowding & spend UK resources on educating British kids-immigration has led to massive class sizes.
59-British students are still able to study abroad because the Erasmus programme includes non EU nations.
60-The EU is responsible for many of the recent floods in the UK because the stops the UK from dredging rivers by the Water Framework Directive
61-The British people do not elect the various EU President, the EU Council or the EU Commission
62-The EU has suggested that it wants to take The UK and France’s UN Security Council seats
63- The EU controls the tariffs the UK has to put on goods from non EU nations which is damaging trade particularly with Commonwealth nations.
64-The UK spends millions each year on translators (courts/hospitals/ schools etc) for EU immigrants
65-The EU is set to expand further in the future meaning the UK will lose more influence & have to open borders to more people
66-10,000 EU employees earn more than the British Prime Minister & we are paying for it
67-The EU courts have recently overruled UK tax law & ordered the UK to pay back big business taxes they paid, estimated to reach £50 billion
68- David Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ achieves nothing & has not been adopted by the EU, it can be ignored by the EU Parliament or overruled by the EU courts
69- The EU spends £500 million a year of taxpayer money creating pro EU propaganda
70-The British people cannot vote out the leaders of the EU like we can a Westminster government
71-Policies widely supported by the public e.g. railway renationalisation are illegal whilst we are in the EU
72- The EU allows the live importation of animals, the UK cannot ban it
73-The EU Clinical Trials Directive 2004 has ruined the UK research sector, in 2000 the UK conducted 6% of all trials, in 2010 it was 1.4%
74-The EU fine UK universities if they do not fly the EU flag, the University of Northampton was fined £56,000
75-The fundamental aim of the EU is to create a European superstate, the UK will not be a nation but a region controlled by the EU
76-Outside the EU the UK can create a free trade deal with the EU to maintain free trade
77-If the UK votes to stay in the EU, it will be taken by the EU as permission from the British people to do whatever they want and impose more integration on us
78-The EU have just delayed the next EU budget until after the EU referendum, expect more massive increases
79-The European Arrest Warrant allows Brits to be taken to other EU countries without a trial
80-The EU makes a terrorist attack more likely because we cannot stop EU immigrants entering the UK e.g. one of the Paris attackers travelled to the UK
81-During the recent immigration crisis millions have entered the EU, as soon as they get an EU passport they have the right to enter the UK & use our NHS/schools/benefits etc
82-The EU is not responsible for peace in Europe, Nato is, for instance during the Balkan war it was the USA & UK that led efforts to stop it not the EU
83-All the groups who are telling the UK to stay in the EU have vested interests in the EU e.g. the IMF bailout Greece & those organisations all said the UK had to join the Euro
84-The EU spends millions moving operations to Strasbourg from Brussels that UK taxpayers pay for
85-Worker rights DO NOT depend on the EU e.g. the UK had holiday rights in 1938, Equal Pay in 1970 & race/sex discrimination laws introduced before we joined
86-The UK has better maternity rights than EU law provides providing more time off & better maternity pay
87- When the UK joined the EU we had 18% of MEP’s in the EU Parliament, we now have only 9.7%
88- The EU is currently planning to take control of UK taxes with a vote in May giving every EU citizen an EU tax identification number
89- The European Health Card (which includes non EU nations) has been used by immigrants living in the UK to claim for treatment in their home countries we pay for
90- 800,000 UK jobs have been advertised on an EU jobs website advertising our jobs to EU immigrants, more jobs than all other EU nations combined
91- We cannot let more skilled Commonwealth immigrants into the UK who we have more in common with because we have open borders to unskilled EU immigrants
92- When the UK joined the EU we had 17% of the vote in the EU Council, we now only have 8%
93- If the UK quits the EU it will encourage other EU nations to also leave
94- From 2005-2014 the NHS paid £1.3 billion for EU immigrants giving birth on the NHS
95- The EU has just voted for new Port Regulations effectively seizing control of UK ports
96- The UK is still a member of other international organisations e.g. the UN, WTO, NATO where we can work with other nations & protect our interests
97- Tory Minister has admitted that UK governments use the EU to pass unpopular laws they couldn’t get passed by the UK Parliament
98- The UK effectively has open borders to the entire world because any non EU national who marries an EU citizen can come to the UK
99-The EU is never going to reform, David Cameron tried & failed to get major reform
100- Vote to Leave and David Cameron & George Osborne will have to resign & be out of power

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Rattitude · 21/06/2016 19:51

31- The EU undermines UK democracy because we are constantly outvoted by other EU nations

In the EU Council, the UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 period and 86.7% of the time in the 2009-15 period. See link for anybody who is interested in real facts rather than propaganda.

How does this tally with your use of the word 'constantly'?

Showmethewaytogohome · 21/06/2016 19:53

Leave nope democracy is not a new concept - thanks for asking. And neither is a referendum - fully aware of what both mean. Also manifesto's do not have detailed plans either but generally they do not claim such enormous change in direction for the social and economic polices of our country and our current migrants as your list has

I was kind of hoping that some detailed THOUGHT and plans would have been put into the leave campaign.

It rather reminds me of the the emperors new clothes

I know- why not add free beer for all!

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 19:57

Blimey. You have been thorough. I have read so many of these threads where so many of these have debunked already by people so much more knowledgeable than I. I hope someone is paying you well for your perseverance.

Rattitude · 21/06/2016 19:57

101- Free beer for all British nationals
102- Unicorn for all kids under 7
103- A couple of goats for each British household

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:00

87 and 92 for example, there are many more countries in the EU since we joined so of course we have a lower overall representation.

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:01

91 - we can let who we want in. The Govt decides it non-Eu immigration levels.

LeaveTheRoundAbout · 21/06/2016 20:04

Manifestoes do indeed have detailed plans of proposed legislative initiatives that they will seek to process through Parliament if they are elected.

A referendum cannot propose legislation - it is an instruction.

It is is not a political party - it is for the elected government to propose the legislation. It really wouldn't got down too well for Boris to be suggesting what Cameron does post referendum. We, the people, will instruct the government of our intention re in or out then Cameron will have to act on it.

As for details, that will be voted on in the HoC by our representatives. You an speak to your MP if you wish regarding proposed initiatives etc

In time as there is a new election when detailed manifestoes on proposals can be made by a party seeking election.

Showmethewaytogohome · 21/06/2016 20:05

Rattitude you forgot to add

104 -a 20 hour working week for all

I'm sure that will now be possible -with all that money we will be literally be rolling in when we leave

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:09

59 - the erasmus programme has nothing to do with general ability of students to study in different eu countries.

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:10
  1. TTIP - EU is resisting it. Boris is happy to sign.
Fauchelevent · 21/06/2016 20:10

This list could have been at least 60% shorter. "Passports without the EU stamp on them" might as well have been "we won't have to struggle to watch Jackie who hasn't been abroad in 10 years struggle at the automatic passport gates"

Showmethewaytogohome · 21/06/2016 20:12

Leave Proposed legislation is NOT The same as a Plan. I am sure you understand the difference. Detailing legislation for parliament on issues such as Carbon emissions, contact centres et al is not the same as understanding the social and economic widespread changes that leaving the EU will bring

So you are effectively admitting if we leave there is no plan....at all. Most of the analysis has been debunked from more specialists than I care to mention

So Friday is effectively Day Zero

Thank you for spelling that out - how reassuring

CointreauVersial · 21/06/2016 20:12

Yawn.

  1. We already do
19. We already are 66. So does virtually everyone in the City - this is hardly news.

All this "the EU controls...." and "the EU does x and y...". Who are one of the biggest players in the EU?? We are. UK, France and Germany control pretty much the whole show.

  1. The EU is responsible for many of the recent floods in the UK.....GrinGrin

I could go on.

BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:20
  1. I live in another EU country. Don't know about court, but for day to day life you are on your own and expected to find someone to translate for you if required. This isn't an EU requirement but is most likely something provided by the UK govt for NON-EU immigrants.
Globetrotter100 · 21/06/2016 20:21

YY to #60, because all our rain comes from the evil EU. Probably. Grin

  1. Not having to wade through itemised bullshit like this for a while
Glamourgates · 21/06/2016 20:43

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BeenThereDoneThatForgotten · 21/06/2016 20:57

Thank the Lord Glamour. I am all for reasoned debate on this subject - Lord knows we could do with some of it. But we seem to have the same 5 or 6 posters just repeating the same shite on every single thread. There is no debating with them. Though I have seen some fantastic posters with some good arguments from both sides - so thanks to those posters for at least trying and persevering with the bots.

bacimamma · 21/06/2016 21:18

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What is british english culture then? Please tell us. You do know that culture is not a 'thing', don't you? Please, please, enlighten us what is British culture and why must other europeans not spoil this sacred land?

i have some concerns wrt how the eu is managed but that list is just dim.

lljkk · 21/06/2016 21:26

Amen to that, Glamourgates.

no. 64... UK ought to be spending millions more than we do. Refugees talk about no translators available for services. It's not much fun to ask your 10 yo son to explain to the GP why the FGM you endured 20 yrs ago is giving you ongoing problems.

BestIsWest · 21/06/2016 21:38

I don't know why you just didn't stop at #1 as that's what this is about really isn't it.

Evergreen17 · 21/06/2016 21:44

Iamslave your family members can speak for themselves. Yes I take it personally as everybody else that vote take it as a personal decision.
You honestly want us to believe that your family members that are EU and live here thing that voting leave is the best for the country
A) they are lying
B) they already have british citizenship
C) you are lying

Oh sorry do I sound bitter!? How would you feel if you had contributed to society, worked and enjoyed living in a country that you love only to find out that lots of people are saying you dont belong here and they are better off without you?

You can give me a lecture on managing emotions when you actually have some personal experience thanks

Evergreen17 · 21/06/2016 21:45

Thank you show me
I find interesting that lots of people argued here pro voting in but Iamaslave only picked on me
Maybe because I did say I was an immigrant? Hmm

Evergreen17 · 21/06/2016 21:47

Ratti 104 eternal youth and free beer

lljkk · 21/06/2016 22:14

No. 115. Rainbow kittens with butterfly wings.

Patapouf · 21/06/2016 22:24

My reasons for voting IN.

  1. I'm not a twat
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