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What do you THINK the final result will be on Thursday? (As opposed to what you want to happen)

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LikeDylanInTheMovies · 20/06/2016 23:47

I'm going Remain - 54% Leave 46% .

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RingUpRingRingDown · 22/06/2016 07:49

Remain will win with a much larger than expected % of the vote

LikeDylanInTheMovies · 22/06/2016 08:13

Labour seem shocked that the labour voters aren't behaving and toeing the party line too.

Poll after poll (for what worth ) has shown that Labour voters are voting 'in' by an overwhelming majority, when things were looking iffy last week it appears that elements in the press saw it as a chance to demonize Corbyn further.

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Chalalala · 22/06/2016 09:00

I think we will all have plenty of time to regret either choice since both have their merits and disadvantages. Only hindsight in 50 years could give us most of the answers.

That's why there are rocky times ahead - we'll never know what the alternative would have looked like, if it would have been better or worse. So the losing side (whoever it is) will have free reign to blame the referendum result for all the ills of the country in the coming years.

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 22/06/2016 09:29

You want to point me in the direction of someone saying 'everyone who votes leave is a racist', Chris?

The people who normally spout irritating Britain First crap on my FB feed are voting Leave, it's true, but so are a few people with sensible reasons.

Mistigri · 22/06/2016 09:30

So the losing side (whoever it is) will have free reign to blame the referendum result for all the ills of the country in the coming years.

Whatever the result, it's going to be close enough that Cameron's foolish gamble will have failed. There is no way that a win for either side settles the matter.

Vistaverde · 22/06/2016 09:41

I think Remain will win and that the margin of victory will be bigger than is being currently predicted, Maybe as much as 60% 40%.

Auti · 22/06/2016 09:42

I am not phased by the horrendous negative campaigning of the Remain camp but I fear too many will. :(

squoosh · 22/06/2016 09:48

It's funny, to me if either camp has been negative it's been Leave. Project Hate indeed.

RedToothBrush · 22/06/2016 10:12

Here me out on this, before you jump in.

Its interesting to note that the BNP existed before 1997 but go next to no votes. Yet between 1992 and 1997 the party made a lot of headway, gaining 7.5% in one of the areas they stood a candidate. In 2001 they doubled that success in several constituency. And maintained this level of success in some constituencies in the 2005 and 2010 elections. They never did anything great on a national level but it showed there was an appeal to part of the population that started between 1992 and 1997.

The same period Labour shifted its political position.

I also note here that this predates free movement of people from Eastern Europe which started in 2004.

Why is the BNP relevant? In 2005 it was widely felt that the BNP and UKIP were competing for the same part of the electorate - estimated at around 20% of voters. There was talk for a while of a pact between the two but this was kicked out by Farage who had just become head of the party in 2006. As were people advocating this approach.

What happened in 2015, wasn't just about disaffection with the current government. Nor was it necessarily about the Labour Party doing more wrong than it had in previous years. Nor was it about the collapse of BNP directly. It was a mix of everything coupled with UKIP being more organised and having the ability to stand candidates in similar areas, to tap into this 20% of the electorate they hadn't before and offer an alternative that hadn't been there before.

In the eyes of those watching, it looks like the rise of the far right - and it is - at least in part. This naturally scares people. But its about a section of society that was left behind by New Labour and were forgotten and were not given an alternative. Its been capitalised on in a big way, and focus has been drawn to certain things.

I feel for Corbyn. He IS the best shot to step back into that position we have. But I think he was right not to vote for Leave and instead focus on what the issues really are, be honest about his luke warmness for the EU and take the long road.

Otherwise he steps into the immigration argument and would end up legitimising a certain amount of the hate that is out there, rather than the battle being about all the underlying issues that will still be there even if low skilled immigrants aren't. We didn't need that as part of the national debate. We didn't need any more voices talking about how migrants are to blame for everything. We need an alternative to that. A credible one. For politics as a whole to cover the full spectrum of the electorate and offer alternatives and choice.

I hope Corbyn does play the long game he seems to be and is given a proper chance to do it. Not that I would necessarily vote for him, but because its needed to redress part of the imbalance of political voices in this country.

I do think Corbyn, recognised the danger of going with Leave on this. He was between a rock and a hard place, and which ever he did wouldn't please everyone. He had to do what was the best option overall, for the long game. Labour's 'Core Voters' still covers a wide range of bases and Corbyn is treading a fine line and more so if, it wants to retake some of the ground furthest to the left.

Where Labour really cocked up, was Scotland.

I think the EU referendum turned into a battle of them versus us on both sides. Those afraid (quite rightly and understandably) particularly of the tone and emphasis by the far right which is grabbing all the headlines and then several groups on the Leave side, which are distinct in places but also do have blurred boundaries - those who have been seduced by the right and those who have capitalist ambitions and those who are just fucked off with it all. The trouble is that isn't clear to all those on the Remain side from the top down. Especially when certain parts of the Leave side have been more vocal and have been given more media coverage.

I think Corbyn may perhaps have been one of the few that has seen beyond that polarisation of debate and problems that has caused and will continue to cause for some time.

He has treated the electorate with a respect for being able to make a decision on balance rather than going for a more divisive message. I don't think he has attracted the media well though - it doesn't work for them to sell newspapers as its well, a bit bull in comparison to the flashy headline grabbing soundbites and very lazy but strong slogans. I think its a slow burner.

The post mortem on all this will be interesting. I don't think it will come properly for years sadly. What happens on Thursday will colour it, but I don't think the result is now necessarily the most important bit.

What is more important is how quickly we can all start listening and understanding each other better. I don't think that's going to be a quick or easy process. Yet people will be looking for quick and easy solutions. Therein lies part of the danger.

Chalalala · 22/06/2016 10:15

Someone's negativity is someone else's truth, so both campaigns have been negative from the other side's perspective

To me one significant difference is that Remain have been negative about potential future economic consequences. While Leave have been negative about actual, real people.

Littlemisslovesspiders · 22/06/2016 10:19

As my friend said last night.

If you were a complete neutral with no bias whatsoever then you would argue yourself round is circles with the first and against for remaiming and leaving.

Littlemisslovesspiders · 22/06/2016 10:20

*fors

Mominatrix · 22/06/2016 10:38

I agree with Vistaverde - Remain will win with a much bigger margin than predicted.

SapphireStrange · 22/06/2016 10:42

Mom and Vista, can I ask why you think that?

(I hope you're right!)

Tiggeryoubastard · 22/06/2016 10:47

Sadly, I do think remain will win. Sadly, I also think that if it does, UKIP will make massive gains in future elections.

Chalalala · 22/06/2016 10:48

I think one of the two sides will win by a much bigger margin than predicted. Sadly I can't decide which Confused

Lynnm63 · 22/06/2016 11:09

As much as I hate to promote the daily fail Sarah Vine has an article in today's mail. I tried to link but I don't know what Im doing!!
She says of staying in the EU "it's like saying to a battered wife, he's knocked your teeth out no one will want you now you'd be better off staying"" I agree if some of the threats junker et al have said had been attributed to a LTB thread on here we'd have been telling 'her' to run as far and as fast as she could.

I know this was a what do us think will happen thread rather than a campaign one so I apologise if anyone thinks I've hijacked the thread. I'd like to say I don't buy or read the mail normally I followed a link that I couldn't add hereBlush

squoosh · 22/06/2016 11:16

Well Mrs Gove would say that wouldn't she. She's doing her best to get hubby over the finishing line.

And personally, I think the domestic abuse analogy is fucking disgusting.

Chalalala · 22/06/2016 11:18

Oh please. The UK is no battered wife. It has the sweetest membership deal in all of the EU, with a number of exceptions and rebates no one else has. Enough with the victimisation.

MrsBlackthorn · 22/06/2016 11:21

I think one of the two sides will win by a much bigger margin than predicted. Sadly I can't decide which

That's exactly how I feel. I veer between trying to hope for the best - that the nation's innate conservatism will kick in - and worrying that there are significant numbers of "shy leavers" (or that leavers have been under-counted). I think it'll be 55/45 - but no idea what way around.

WaitrosePigeon · 22/06/2016 11:23

Unfortunately I think we will remain.

SapphireStrange · 22/06/2016 11:24

The battered wife/domestic abuse analogy has been going round on MN for a while, so Vine isn't sharing any blinding new insights with us in her piece today.

And I agree with squoosh; to use that analogy at all is at best in very very poor taste.

Plus the UK is in no way trodden down by our EU membership. Why do people keep banging this fucking drum?!?

squoosh · 22/06/2016 11:29

The Goves have clearly decided to turn the dial up to 11 with the analogies. Mrs Gove comparing the UK to a battered wife and dear Michael comparing the economic experts who've warned against Brexit to the Nazis who smeared Albert Einstein’s scientific findings during the 1930s.

I can only assume Michael sees himself as Einstein in this scenario.

Ahem.

SapphireStrange · 22/06/2016 11:41

I can only assume Michael sees himself as Einstein in this scenario. Ahem.

I know. Grin

Vistaverde · 22/06/2016 11:48

Sapphire The polls are showing a shift towards Remain and the bookies all have Remain to win. I also think when it comes down to it a lot of people will vote to keep the status quo rather than taking a great leap into the unknown.

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