Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

I don't like all of them, but imagine some of these might put themselves in for the leadership race. Liam Fox would be good, I think.

Liam Fox
Sajid Javid
Theresa May
Michael Gove
Priti Patel
George Osborne
Nicky Morgan
Dan Hannan

Martin Lewis's piece is a good layman's summary from a neutral viewpoint.

If vote Leave won, I'd prefer Alan Johnson negotiating on our behalf to Boris. He's got actual negotiating experience!

Except Alan Johnson is firmly in. And no one seriously expects Corbyn to do it.

I know he is in. He would still be my first choice. As for JC, goodness no.

winter I know who is likely to throw their hat in, but who do you think could mount a defeat of a Brexit winning Boris?

The competition is not vast and fierce.

For Alan Johnson to get near the negotiating table, Corbyn would need to win the GE because I can't see another Labour leadership challenge.

Unless of course, JC steps down.

I'm not saying it's plausible, just that he would be my preference.

Nobody would expect Corbyn to do it, Mrs. B. This is his position on the EU (or is it?):

1. Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.
2. “The European Central Bank will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom — or any other Government — would wish to carry out.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
3. “What powers do we have to do anything about the fraud in EU institutions? Much of that money seems to find its way into the hands of the Mafia or into grandiose, unwanted and often badly-built construction projects that are of no use to anybody.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
4. “The Treaty on European Union takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
5. “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.” Jeremy Corbyn, Huffington Post
6. “If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.” Jeremy Corbyn, LBC, 2015, quoted in the Telegraph
7. Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
8. On the secrecy of the EU’s TTIP negotiations: “Is it because there are ante-rooms on either side of the Atlantic stuffed full of highly effective corporate lobbyists doing their best to develop their own interests?” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
9. Morocco’s occupation of the Western Sahara “involves the gross abuse of human rights and theft of natural resources - and the EU is directly responsible.” Jeremy Corbyn on his blog, recently deleted (archive still available).

(From the Guardian comments page)

nearlyhellokitty just looked up Godwin's Law and spat out my tea laughing. Am on a train too. You definitely win.

Is the OP on the remain camps payroll?

who do you think could mount a defeat of a Brexit winning Boris?

Liam Fox could do it IMO.

milly

bridgetoc here's my first dear. (I may have spoiled the effect since posting on my phone ... crossing fingers the emoticons work).

Just saw this - love the Daily Mash - www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britons-demand-to-live-in-medieval-village-surrounded-by-a-wall-20160609109418

imo the can of worms is open and things will unravel whether we leave or not
we should get out now while the going is (relatively) good

Yep, glassgarden is right, leave now. Before the whole thing goes down the toilet, which it can't fail to do before long, given the zero likelihood of Greece ever paying its debts. More and more poorer countries queuing up to join, endless siphoning of the relative wealth from the richer countries.

Denmark will follow us in leaving, so with the Netherlands, so will Sweden and probably France. The remainder of the EU will collapse overnight without those bankrollers.

Advantage Boris and the leave campaign after tonights debate. A very poor show from the remain camp!

even if we vote to stay it will be close and that alone will put the willies up several other countries

do we really want to stay and go down with the ship?

I think it is our duty to Remain on the ship.

Sinkier Together

It is better to be onboard the sinking ship rearranging the deckchairs than sailing off in our own boat in a different direction.

Martin Lewis's piece is a good layman's summary from a neutral viewpoint.

That's an improvement on the earlier claim that he was an economist, at least. He's not 'neutral', though; no multi-millionaire is.

There's a great letter about Brexit from the JCB chairman on the BBC today. His letter states:

"I voted to stay in the Common Market in 1975. I did not vote for a political union, I did not expect us to hand over sovereignty to the EU.
"I certainly did not expect unaccountable leaders in Brussels to govern over us.
"So do I wish to remain in an EU of diminishing economic importance as it moves towards ever closer union? Or do I want us to pull out of the EU, reclaim our sovereignty and regain control of how we trade with Europe and the world?"
The JCB chairman told workers it was up to them to make a choice, but urged them to vote in the referendum.
A number of firms have written to their UK staff to put the case for staying in the EU, including BMW, who emailed a message saying the decision was ultimately a matter for the British public, but highlighted the "significant benefit" the company said it derived from the free movement of people within the EU."

milly you know JCB had a big competition law fine from the EU? They were price fixing / setting up illegal distribution arrangements. Unsurprising that Mr JCB prefers not to have to deal with that pesky eu competition law :-)

No wonder he wants out then if eu were shafting his business because of their regulations.

thick so it's great for the businesses and small contractors of the EU if a big powerful company like JCB artificially and illegally fixes high prices because of their stranglehold on the market?