Mums set to vote for Brexit

[BritBrit]

Latest polling shows mums will vote for Brexit (46% leave vs 37% stay) because the EU is damaging family life & particularly harming children through overcrowded schools & hospitals due to immigration. It also says mums are concerned about security & terrorism.

So mums on here do you agree with this? are you worried about the impact of immigration in your children?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673087/EU-family-UK-mothers-Brexit-children-referndum

it says "According to the Netmums poll of 2,000-plus women"

I don't understand that.

Was it a representative sample carried out by a reputable survey company, or was it a self-selected bunch of posters who answered if they felt like it? We have one of them on here as well.

The self-selecting poll on here is approx 2:1 favouring IN.

I have a hunch the Express and the Fail will not be reporting it in such fulsome terms.

Have a look at the 'in out' mumsnet thread. Not scientific, but shows a trend. 72% in and 28% out?!??

I think it's very sad that parents will be condemning their children to live in country that has replaced its Parliamentary democracy with an EU democracy that will control every aspect of their children's lives.

I hope that their children find work when they are competing with the mass of European unemployed youth all seeking work and and homes, schools and hospitals when the EU migrants coming to the UK are increasing the strain on these by additional 330,00 people per year.

But hey, their kids will get cheap roaming charges and be able to travel freely in the EU and celebrate their 'Europeaness'.

My 29 year old would rather have a job, be able to afford a home and get hospital treatment when he needs it. He's voting LEAVE.

Many people travelled, emigrated, and worked and studied abroad regularly before we were in the EU.

Do none of the Remainers have older relatives, friends, aquaintances or colleages who travelled in Europe and around the world when the EU didn't exist?

Just one example: Inter-Railing was introduced in 1972, which is 20 years before we joined the EU. There were various currencies to be found as the Euro didn't exist, there were borders between countries, and yet somehow countless young people enjoyed Inter-Railing around Europe. No EU required.

[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrail]]

"1972: The program launched as "Interrail 72", limited to travellers 21 or younger. It covered 21 countries: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, East Germany, Finland, France, West Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, and Yugoslavia. The initial price in the United Kingdom was £27.50 for one month's travel."

Corrected link: Interrail

um - sorry? Britain joined the EEC in 1973, the year after the Interrail pass was introduced, not 20 years after.

The EU was formed in 1992 of 12 member states, and Britain signed the Maastricht Treaty then. The EU superceded and absorbed the European Communities as one of its pillars.

The EU is hugely different from the original Common Market.

But the UK was part of that process. It wasn't something done to us from the outside.

The UK people didn't get a choice in joining the EU.

Thank goodness we never went into the Euro. The bright future of the single currency promised by Maastricht has turned into an ugly tarnished reality for most of Southern Europe.

Come on, this article was in the Express, so it must be true LOL Would not be surprised if it is in the DMail as well! It must therefore be doubly true ROFLOL!

On a more serious note:
There are a lot of incredibly furious Brexiters out there. People who are so riled up with anger that they're utterly incapable of forming a remotely coherent argument. Some of them are so furious that they don't seem to be able to even differentiate between the EU and other non-EU institutions (the IMF, NATO, the UN, the ECHR ...). Some of them rely on appalling displays of inverse snobbery and anti-intellectualism to form the basis of their fact-free "us vs them" arguments in favour of Brexit. Some of them are utterly humourless people who use the privileged background of a comedian (Al Murray - that he rejected) as personal attacks because he doesn't cheerlead for Brexit, whilst completely ignoring the fact that the main figureheads of the Brexit campaign come from similarly privileged backgrounds, and that unlike Al Murray, they're still firmly entrenched in the political establishment.

The kind of embarrassingly incoherent sh*t-slinging tactics detailed in this article are examples of what happens to the standard of debate when people let anger dictate their actions and decisions. Sadly both camps in the EU debate have realised that playing on people's basic emotions (anger and fear) is a good way to herd them over to their side of the argument, hence the appallingly low general standard of debate about such an important political issue.

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There's plenty of fury on both sides. Trouble is, not many voters read academic tomes or articles in The Economist. Far more read the popular press. ROFL'ing at them won't change their minds.

If you're undecided, watch BREXIT THE MOVIE. It's helped loads of people make their minds up.

I agree Lizzie it made me make up my mind. Definitely out.
The only thing that would change my mind was for a 'Bremain the movie' to answer the points made in the Brexit Movie - most specifically about the democratic process in the EU.
I also find it uncomfortable that decisions made by another government can impact us and we have no say - I refer specifically to Angela Merkel's actions over the refugee crisis. If I was Greece or in fact Italy or Macedonia or Hungary etc, etc I would be the other side of pissed off with having to deal with the fall out from her badly thought though actions which basically encouraged more people to risk their life and poured money into the criminal underworld via the people smugglers. She could only do what she did because of the EU and open borders.

And she is now expecting the rest of Europe to help her sort out the chaos she created - or rather exacerbated.
I wouldn't vote for her ... doubt a lot of people in more badly effected countries would vote for her - but they are powerless to do anything.

The way both sides have conducted themselves in this referendum, is an insult to any voter with average intelligence. My friend and I are on both sides of this discussion and respect each other for their views. We have both done masses of research and come to different conclusions that is democracy. Guess what, neither of us has said the other was an idiot :-) Please use that as well in your decision making. Anyone who accuses the other party of being an idiot, not knowing the "facts", just has a gut reaction to the issue. They have not done any research, or they would know there are NO "facts". If someone now lists a load of facts after this post, just take the time to check them out, 99% will be unsubstantiated on both sides. That is the way to deceive people in to voting their way by fear etc. on both sides. My friend and I commend Martin for his balanced post, neither of us could fault his logic, even if we cannot agree with each other LOL.

blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2016/06/05/how-to-vote-in-the-eu-referendum/
Says it in a fair and balanced way!

t's much more instructive to look at the few who are for Leave

It is - imagine this was pre French revolution! Every big organization including the king wants to crush the revolution, what are those pesky civilians grumbling about eh?

Spot on Unlucky, spot on.

Its nightmarish scenario is playing out before us, it really is, and the EU cant handle it.

Yeah Trevor people are angry you could say the same of the french bread situation, I can imagine the aristos in Versailles moaning that the people just don't have enough education to understand the wider issues with bread.

Immigration in my children? Blimey, they really are letting them in anywhere these days, aren't they?

Err they did crush the revolution though. By the end of nearly 20 years of napoleonic wars fought across Europe and North Africa, the continent wasn't in a good way. Not the best example.

They crushed the French Revolution? So it's not a Republic and the King is still in Versailles?

I find it all deeply puzzling.

The only thing I'm really sure about is that if Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are on one side, then I'm on the other side.

Also if we vote leave, then Scotland may become independent.

Imagine it:

• England run by Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

• Scotland run by Alex Salmond

• USA run by Donald trump

The thought just appalls me.