Mums set to vote for Brexit

[BritBrit]

Latest polling shows mums will vote for Brexit (46% leave vs 37% stay) because the EU is damaging family life & particularly harming children through overcrowded schools & hospitals due to immigration. It also says mums are concerned about security & terrorism.

So mums on here do you agree with this? are you worried about the impact of immigration in your children?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673087/EU-family-UK-mothers-Brexit-children-referndum

What's an Eu mandate

Latest polling shows

I believe you mean, "a Netmums poll of Netmums users"

This is something that really puzzles me - vote In to protect workers rights because the Tories want to get rid of them...
Current Tory government wants us to vote in
Surely that doesn't add up?
We had workers rights way before we entered the EU. The factory acts were introduced in the 1800s - originally dealing with children's rights, then women, then all workers.
The Health and Safety at Work act was introduced in 1974 -nothing to do with Europe (it has been tinkered with since but only so the wording etc ties in with EU directives... )
NI was introduce in 1911. Which started to give free healthcare to poor workers. We had the NHS way before we entered the EU -the only completely free, open to all health service in Europe.
The Labour Party was founded in 1900 - by trade unions to represent workers.

With our history of Social care are workers really going to suddenly lose their rights?
They are however seemingly more likely to suffer under TIPP ...although of course we aren't allowed to know the details...

I won't vote out because of many reasons one of which is refusing to give the current government control of our country without them having to pander to all those pesky Europe regulations about safety, human rights etc.

Ah bum! Going to have to rethink now! Gaaaarrrtghhhh!

You're correct, except that a lot of newer rights (e.g. right to paid holidays, protection of discrimination, etc.: see here and here ) would be lost as they're tied into EU legislation.

But that's ok, the Brexiters argue, as we can rely on IDS, Johnson and Gove etc., those champions of working people, to propose and vote in new legislation to replace that which would be lost....

on TTIP, it's the British Tories who are pushing it most enthusiastically in the EU, and France and Germany that are being "difficult". Boris is on record saying how amazing TTIP would be and how silly the EU is for not embracing it. Can you guess what sort of trade deal he would strike with the US?

uni if our government do anything too unfair you can campaign and get rid of them - they wouldn't get re-elected. You might feel you have no say, no power etc but we do really.
That is really how the Labour party started - from the Trade Unions - it was the Liberals (iirc not Labour anyhow) who brought in NI to try and stop Labour getting to power - that's how democracy works...

If the EU decides to do something you really disagree with there is fuck all you can do about it... apart from mass civil unrest/riot -
Even if all the workers of Europe joined together with a common goal (harder than just the UK) because it isn't democratic.

pale there are more 'workers' - normal people in this country than fat cats.
If the Tories got rid of eg paid holiday it would affect all those voters - they wouldn't be re-elected -it would be political suicide.
They are only tied in with Europe now because we had to change the Law to make the wording match up - no reason why we can't have our own laws - we had pre EU - had made steady progress in protecting workers for the last 150 yrs...

unlucky83 I don't see the Tories as evil bastards sitting round planning how to remove workers' rights, however, since they don't really care about them, they'd be prepared to ditch them if they thought it'd get them more votes or party donations.

I see the EU as levelling up the rights and protections across different countries.

I also think however crappy TTIP is, with the full weight of the EU pressing against it, we have more chance of getting a better deal than whatever trade agreement we'd end up negotiating by ourselves.
Particularly, again, with the Tories in charge, who won't exactly be breaking their necks to avoid US companies taking over the NHS. For example.

Given that the Tories have already intimated that they would look at workers rights again in the event of an exit, Brexit is a no go for me.

Even though I disagree completely with TTIP and the unelected EU leaders I fear that if we exit the government will believe they have a mandate to erode our country further, and that the damage they can do it the time they have left in office would be irreversible.

It's not a representative poll of mums though is it? It's an online click here on a particular website with no verification of who replies or how many times.

Seems to be a lot of EU countries in the top 20....regardless of where we are....

That's quite a punchy writing style you've got there BritBrit. Ever considered making a career out of it?

My thoughts exactly

Don't see you on many other topics BritBrit?

boulvard that might be true - but as you said if they thought they'd get more votes ... from what I can make out EU decisions aren't made with consideration to any voters, it is all through commissions - the parliament doesn't actually have much power.
And what ever decisions the UK parliament make it has to get through the House of Lords too...which I now think is quite a good thing. But people complain that they aren't elected - it isn't democratic - it's nothing to the EU.

They can make rules to keep big corporations happy - or to keep getting brown envelopes - and there is nothing as a voter you can do about that. That actually frightens me. It is a dictatorship. Only power you have to change things is through civil unrest/revolution.
Given that the Tories have already intimated that they would look at workers rights again in the event of an exit, Brexit is a no go for me.
Think about it - the current Tory government wants you to vote how? With this current scare tactic what do you think they would say?

This is something that really puzzles me - vote In to protect workers rights because the Tories want to get rid of them...
Current Tory government wants us to vote in
Surely that doesn't add up?

Totally agree. I don't trust Cameron and Osborne who want us to "remain". The EU supports large corporations who are constantly lobbying them. Britain introduced various rights for women and workers before we joined the EU and independently of the EU, such as the Equal Pay act and the Abortion Act.

Some comments I've seen are framing this as a vote between the EU or the Tories. It isn't. Every few years we have a general election and can vote the Tories out. We can't vote out the EU. If people don't trust the Tories then why on earth do they believe Cameron and Osborne when they promote "remain"?

I don't trust Cameron and Osborne who want us to "remain".

I trust the Tories who want us to leave even less... the Tories are not a monolithic bloc - some are worse than others, and the worst ones (in my opinion) are the ones pushing for Brexit. They are the ones with a vision of an ultra-liberal, ultra-deregulated Britain competing on its own in the global market, and it's this vision that requires workers' rights to be trampled on

Cameron and Osborne probably wish they could limit the pesky rules and regulations protecting us, but they're not so ideological about it that they can't see it's not worth paying the economic price of Brexit

I guess it's inevitable given the high visibility of the government backed "remain" campaign, but it does puzzle me when people equate remain with the Conservatives. The official Labour position is pro-remain as well...

The economy is being pushed by the "remain" side as being the most important thing, with exaggerated reports from the Treasury. I think in the long term our economy is likely to be much better away from the EU. This isn't a short-term decision.

However, democracy and sovereignty are the most important reasons that I support Brexit.

It's not a party-political referendum and there are many left-wing reasons to leave. The media has tended to (deliberately) ignore these in favour of portraying Brexiters as Ukippers only, which of course we are not by any means!

I was interested to hear about a potential Lexit film giving a left-wing view in support of Brexit.

it does puzzle me when people equate remain with the Conservatives.

Labour is for remain. The Lib Dems are for remain. The Greens are for remain. The majority of Tories are for remain.

(and big business, small business, unions, universities...)

Pretty much every major organisation and party is for remain. So really it doesn't tell us much.

It's much more instructive to look at the few who are for Leave.

Its not every few years though is it Winterbiscuit?

We have to wait now until 2020 to get a new vote. In that time a lot can happen.

I don't trust Cameron and Osborne but I trust Gove and Johnson even less.

I broadly (although not totally) agree with the sentiment in this article.

Although I don't want to particularly stay in the EU I also don't want the EU sceptics on the far right thinking its for the reasons they have put forward.

Lol soloman.

Last time I looked the only person allowed to call me 'mum' didn't work for the Express.

It's much more instructive to look at the few who are for Leave.

The "few", or approximately half of those who will vote in this referendum, equating to millions of UK citizens?

It's about principles, not personalities.

Pretty much every major organisation and party is for remain. So really it doesn't tell us much.

"Major organisations" are of course most likely to benefit from the EU, which supports big business.

The political parties have taken their official stances but there are people on both sides within their ranks. Jeremy Corbyn's pro-EU speeches may be "what the Labour party thinks" but are not in the least bit convincing from him individually.

We have to wait now until 2020 to get a new vote. In that time a lot can happen.

That's true, but will it be another 41 years until the next referendum (if there's one at all) on the EU? That would take us to 2057...