Mums set to vote for Brexit

[BritBrit]

Latest polling shows mums will vote for Brexit (46% leave vs 37% stay) because the EU is damaging family life & particularly harming children through overcrowded schools & hospitals due to immigration. It also says mums are concerned about security & terrorism.

So mums on here do you agree with this? are you worried about the impact of immigration in your children?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673087/EU-family-UK-mothers-Brexit-children-referndum

I'm voting to stay. I am concerned that leaving will divide the UK by forcing another referendum in Scotland for independence. I remember Nicola Sturgeon saying that this would be the path that SNP would follow in that event in the run up to the general election. It would be interesting to know what the polling is in Scotland.

We have the third lowest maternity pay in Europe with only Greece and Italy behind us. Lots of countries have more leave but people can't afford to take the maximum amount of leave due to long term pay being lower over that period.

I think somewhere like Norway has the most generous but it's still about a 50% cut over the term taken.

If I remember rightly. I had to look it up for a project I did in my previous life as a working parent.

We can set our own rates regardless of being in the EU and what stupid government would cut maternity pay/rates. They'd be out in one term.

what stupid government would cut maternity pay the same one cutting benefits for the disabled?

We're all in this together remember.

The majority who want to leave are on the right of the tory party (or further right in ukip) and, apart from the 'no one tells me what to do' bit, want deregulation and a cut in red tape. In other words, cutting things that have an immediate cost for the employer but a long term benefit for workers, parents, health & safety, the environment etc. Things that I value beyond their monetary worth. Plus things that are difficult to implement in a meaningful way by one country alone, such as tackling climate change.

Yes there are people in other parties who also want to leave, but they tend to be in a minority in their parties and sit to the far left. Not somewhere I want to be either.

If we leave, the way our country will move forward will be shaped by those in power at the time. So by boris, gove etc. With Corbyn in opposition. The effect from that would be felt for a long time.

I vote on the evidence not based on my parental status. I will be voting to stay.

Russian maternity pay is one of the best, I once applied for a cover for a Russian graphic designer who was off to have her first and she was taking 2 years...I got 8 months.

Maternity leave normally given under Russia labour law is 140 days at 100 percent of the salary – 70 days before the birth and 70 days after. This can increase to 194 days in the event of multiple pregnancies or complications – 84 days before the birth and 110 days after it for multiple births (such as twins or triplets) or 86 days after the birth if there are any complications. The minimum maternity benefit should be 100 percent of the legal minimum wage up to a legal maximum of 40 hours if in full-time employment, while the total claimed should not be more than R.34,583. For a period of 18 months after the birth, the total payable can be 40 percent of the salary. Employees have the right to return to work during the full period of paid or unpaid leave and it is possible to extend maternity leave to a maximum of three years without losing a job.

In terms of voting about whether it will impact on my child's future, unfortunately it already has and is. Some of it positive, some negative. I am undecided at the moment, it kind of feels like two people, one shouting in each ear at the moment, resulting in just a very big headache.

A person saying they don't trust them to manage a Brexit, as Cha says, is entirely defensible.

I trust Juncker and the EU less.

I've considered voting Brexit, the EU erodes our democracy (such as it is) and it is isolationist in nature. Yes we are in Europe, but we are also in the world.

Banderwassnatched well that's the first time i've seen anyone argue for Brexit based on the EU being too isolationist; how does that work exactly?

And how is the EU eroding our democracy?

The maternity rates in Europe are hard to compare due to different systems
France has 70%pay for 16 weeks whilst Germany has 100%for 14 weeks,
compared to 90% 6 weeks and 90%'/flat rate for 32 weeks for UK

Palehorse- look at the arguments we're having about trade- we'll lose protectionist trade deals from within a club of (mostly privileged) European nations. Defence- again, because the EU protects itself. It's very simple- this is a club composed mostly of wealthy privileged nations. Lots of countries- developing countries, not just the US AND Russia are outside the EU cuddle. The EU doesn't serve them, it serves it's own interests.

As for democracy- take these rights that we're applauding that derive from EU law. I'm not saying they are bad, just that they did not derive from our elected government. That is not democratic.

EU law is voted by democratically elected MEPs, though?

it'd be like a Scot saying "British maternity rights are nice but not democratic since they're voted by the UK parliament instead of the Scottish parliament"... it's just a different kind of democratic legitimacy

Isn't that essentially exactly what the IndyReg Yes campaign were saying? That they felt that elected UK government didn't represent them? Funny how when Yes say it, it is progressive, when Brexit say it, it is racist

Well it's probably what they said, yes, but in my opinion that was also wrong. And you're quite right that Scottish independence and Brexit are essentially the same theoretical argument.

To be more specific, I think it's wrong to say it's a problem of democracy. It's two overlapping democratic systems, one narrower and one broader, both democratic

if anything it's a problem of sovereignty, not democracy. Some Scots do not recognise the democratically-elected UK parliament as a legitimate authority for making laws that apply to Scotland, just as some Brits don't recognise the democratically-elected EU parliament as a legitimate authority for making laws that apply to the UK.

"Mums set to vote for Brexit"

No they aren't.

Not at all, I don't believe in sovereignty- I think the whole idea of nationhood in the first place is bullsh*t, quite frankly, but I believe it is always better when the lawmaking is being kept close to the people being governed. Westminster is too distant for the Scots- frankly, I'm in North East England, I don't think they represent me, either. But these huge blocs- huge nations, or huge alliances, trample the will of citizens. I'd support Brexit along with devolution more widely, giving more power back to people, making government much more local.

Weird post Bander, you don't believe the right of a democratically elected parliament to rule without outside interference. Nationhood is bullshit? What! The creation of the eu was partly in response to the dangers on Nationalism after the war, but for billions of people part of their sense of identity is their nationality,
I understand the argument for more devolved government, but adding another level of government does not necessarily result in improved governance

TTBO- I think you;ve misunderstood what I'm saying.

you don't believe the right of a democratically elected parliament to rule without outside interference

Where did I say that?

adding another level of government does not necessarily result in improved governance

Agreed.

I understand that nationality is part of identity, but because it creates this sense of belonging, it creates division. As does the EU- it just creates a bigger 'Us'. That's why I can't, in good conscience, support it.

I also get the devolution/local democracy argument, but it comes with its own problems. The smaller the state, the more likely it is to be influenced by forces outside its control (broader economic forces, the foreign policy of bigger states, the economic policy of big trading blocks, etc). Which is in itself arguably undemocratic, because the people can vote all they want, it won't change the larger structural constraints the state operates within.

I also take the point that the weight of each vote is diluted in larger states, which is why I think it's a balance. Federalism is a reasonable answer to the dilemma, I think. A large enough overall federation that it can actually influence global and political economic currents, but also with enough power devolved to each individual state that local democracy remains meaningful.

On the potential dangers that can arise out of national identity, I agree - but I think the EU is a long, long way away from inspiring feelings of fervent nationalism in anyone.

Pragmatically we're a rich and powerful. nation and we'll be fine without the protection of any bloc or federation, so we needn't surrender any of our democracy. I just resent Bremain erst painting themselves as 'teach the world to sing' types, striving for unity. Does Albania yield the fabulous and vital benefits of EU membership? No.

VOTE LEAVE ALL THE WAY!!

easy there

SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS!

I'm astonished you're not getting a harder time about your inane 'Mums' comment, BritBrit.

thecat The Op was quoting a newspaper survey here:
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673087/EU-family-UK-mothers-Brexit-children-referndum