Mums set to vote for Brexit

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Latest polling shows mums will vote for Brexit (46% leave vs 37% stay) because the EU is damaging family life & particularly harming children through overcrowded schools & hospitals due to immigration. It also says mums are concerned about security & terrorism.

So mums on here do you agree with this? are you worried about the impact of immigration in your children?

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/673087/EU-family-UK-mothers-Brexit-children-referndum

No, the few politicians.

You were the one saying "I don't trust Cameron and Osborne", so it's a fair point to make.

The entire political spectrum is in favour of Remain (with a tiny number of scattered exceptions here and there), it's only the far-right wing of the Tories and UKIP who are consistently in favour of Leave.

I know who I trust least.

No, I am not worried about the impact of immigration on my children.

My mum was an immigrant. So were my paternal great-grandparents. So was their dad's father. So please sod off.

Immigration? Yes, there are many good things about it. And if we leave the EU, we will still be able to welcome as many immigrants as we choose.

What do these 'worried mums' think is going to happen upon Brexit?
Are they anticipating a mass exodus of EU workers?

I'm much, much more concerned about the cuts to education and health that would result from cutting out net-contributing short and medium term EU immigration.

I'm also worried (but not as worried) by the domestic political decisions not to invest some of this windfall in services for the increased population that created it.

Blaming EU immigration for the political spending decisions that have been made here with the subsidy created by EU migration is illogical.

chalala what do some MPs do after leaving the UK parliament?
Look at Neil Kinnock ...not right wing! - never managed to win a GE in the UK but was appointed to be a European commissioner.
His wife was an MEP, his son worked for the EU (is now a Labour MP)...

And because it is PR small parties like the Greens are more likely to get an MEP than an MP....
No wonder most of the political parties are in favour of remaining in the EU...

And because it is PR small parties like the Greens are more likely to get an MEP than an MP....

Meaning that the will of the whole populace is better represented than in our FPTP system? There's that democratic deficit we're all told so much about.

I struggle with the idea that all politicians in favour of Remain are doing so for reasons of base personal gain, but those in favour of Brexit are to a man and woman pure altruists.

I struggle with the idea that all politicians in favour of Remain are doing so for reasons of base personal gain, but those in favour of Brexit are to a man and woman pure altruists.
I agree - I actually wouldn't say that either ... for instance I would say Boris is after no 10.
Some of the problem with our current system is we have few conviction politicians left - just lots of career politicians who seem not to have life experience, be out of touch with reality ...
FPTP - I agree has problems - but we were given the chance to change to AV and it was rejected. I do think that the campaign was pretty rubbish and people didn't really understand it ...also we had a hung parliament at the time. Maybe we do need to look at it again - but I'm in Scotland and we have some elections with two votes, some with order of preference - it can be quite confusing...

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FPTP - I agree has problems - but we were given the chance to change to AV and it was rejected. I do think that the campaign was pretty rubbish and people didn't really understand it ...also we had a hung parliament at the time. Maybe we do need to look at it again - but I'm in Scotland and we have some elections with two votes, some with order of preference - it can be quite confusing

Eh, I'm Australian, we have AV for the lower house and PR for the Upper. Far preferable but I totally agree, the AV campaign was awful on both sides.

jassy you grew up with the system then - I grew up with one cross on a ballot paper for the party/person you want...
We vote one way for a GE, another way for Europe, yet another way for the Scottish parliament and I can't even remember how we vote for local elections!!!

I don't understand the 'I'm voting to stay so the current PM won't ruin our country' mentality. I haven't decided which way to vote but the comments likes these and 'those evil Tory bastards' just make the poster sound spiteful. Could people look past the next 4 years and try to think what long term is best?

And no l didn't vote Tory either.

Diggers, isn't it a spin on 'I like the extra checks and balances provided by the EU that make it more difficult for any current or future government to undermine certain workplace and other rights' ?

Could people look past the next 4 years and try to think what long term is best?

it's not quite "just the next 4 years", though, is it. The post-Brexit PM/government will get to determine Britain's new relationship with the EU and the world, and this is likely to have major long-term consequences. Especially if you're not keen on the Brexit Tories' vision for a deregulated, free-markets Britain.

Well I'm voting to stay because I fear what the tories might do, but also because I like being a member of the EU

Cha I'm talking about those that are voting a certain way because of who is in now. I'm saying put that aside and decide, on the facts, what is best for the UK.

Maybe Jassy but current and future government would imply voting with some future foresight not just to "spite" current government.

Maybe Jassy but current and future government would imply voting with some future foresight not just to "spite" current government

I agree, but the 'spiting the tories' makes no sense anyway given how split they are. But then I think making any decision on this huge issue based on what one thinks of the personalities involved is pretty daft.

A person saying they don't trust them to manage a Brexit, as Cha says, is entirely defensible.

Yes agree Jassy

To the person who says our education and health systems are stretched because of immigration.

No, they're stretched because of ideological cuts.

Immigrant workers actually keep our health system from complete collapse.

PS you're a xenophobic fool.

Rowan - I must be imagining the the issues that 3k immigrants per year since 2011 brought to my local area. Can't get a doctors appointment, schools over subscribed. I'm not xenophobic, we only have certain space, resources. Cuts don't help, but immigration is out of control. If you haven't witnessed it or live in an area affected I really don't think you should be rude about the feelings of those that have.

I think that there is a general misunderstanding about immigration policy.

If you've had such an increase under current dispersal policy by Govt, which is sending disproportionate numbers to poorest areas and not fulfilling promised additional funding, it is the fault of that policy, not the immigrants sent there without choice.

Blaming therefugees rather than those responsible for being there smacks of xenophobia.

Rowan - I must be imagining the the issues that 3k immigrants per year since 2011 brought to my local area. Can't get a doctors appointment, schools over subscribed. I'm not xenophobic, we only have certain space, resources. Cuts don't help, but immigration is out of control. If you haven't witnessed it or live in an area affected I really don't think you should be rude about the feelings of those that have

Those immigrants are disproportionately enriching the exchequer. It is the decision of the exchequer not to spend some of the subsidy created by EU immigrants on increasing services where those immigrants live.

But without them there would be even less to spend on health, immigration and other public services. Not to mention a bit of a shortage of essential workers. Staff shortages = higher wages because of labour market scarcity = even less money in the pot.

Your beef is with government policy on spending.

I will vote out. It's risk worth taking for our independence. Sure, there will be a period of uncertainty but in the long run I think we will be better off. What started off as the common market has got way to big and bureaucratic.

too

When a friend emigrated to Australia, her whole family had to be vetted, chest x rays and medicals, they had to have a job in place too. Why can't we have something similar? I have no problem with immigrants who bring something to the country, but that applies to worldwide immigrants and not just those from the EU.Why should they have priority?