The EU Referendum is nearly upon us.........23rd June.

[Daisyonthegreen]

I have been invited by other posters to start a new EU Referendum Thread as the EU thread "In out shake it all about what to vote in the EU referendum "is now closed.
Anyhow this vote is is pretty crucial for the good of the country and your family.
I make no secret of the fact I feel to vote to Leave is the best option.
On the "In out shake it all about,what to vote in the EU Referendum " Thread I posted many links and gave views on why I feel that way.
I feel we would flourish free of the beaucratic ,undemocratic organisation it has turned into.
A Trading block initially started up with 9 countries in the 1970s has become out of control,mammoth and unwieldy and frankly rather dangerous.
We need to wrest back control of our own country,our borders and our ability to broker our own Trade deals which the EU insists on doing for us.
Plus our own Judicial decisions.
We on leaving would still Trade with the EU,they need us more than we need them actually but the beauty of it we could be free to broker our own deals with the rest of the world on our terms.
In short we would flourish.
We can love/ like Europe but not be in the EU.

The Rotterdam effect does include the 44% its true. However the ONS analysis found when investigating in 2013, when export figures were about for about 50% of Exports and 55% of imports.

" if all trade with the Netherlands is excluded from the EU total, these figures fall to 42.5% for exports and 46.7% for imports"

The effect isn't as big as you think it is.

Rotterdam is an example not the sole culprit!

I don't think it's big or small I am saying the ONS doesn't know.

The effect that is!

We all know that the Brexit campaign would be fist pumping and yelling it from the rooftops if Obama had come out for Brexit.

Sadly for them the only major name on their side is Putin, with Trump and Le Pen not far behind. I kind of understand why they're not so keen to wheel them out.

Well I think you exclude all exports to the Netherlands it virtually covers it don't you?

Daisy
How would leaving the EU have any effect on migration? Without draconian measures that would impact a great number of people who have lived hear a long time EU migrstion couldn't just stop. Not to mention the retaliation and the effect on trade. Of course your economist husband would be protected whilst commenting on the unfolding mess! . EU and non EU migration are a function of inequality and political instability. Both of these causes must be tackled and can be more effectively tackled as part of a United European Union. The little Englanders approach of retreating behind the white cliffs and sending a gun boat is long out of date. Having worked in regulated, export based industries I have seen the EU really work for people and business. Let's not run scared, vote to remain and in doing so vote to improve the EU and the lives of its citizens.

EU exports to the UK represent about 3% of EU GDP.

You are the expert on economics so you are obviously right.

Well, not right but I think removing all exports and imports from the Netherdlands ( where there certainly are imports and exports from that don't go out from Rotterdam) it should basically cover all of the Rotterdam/Antwerp effect.

I think it's odd of Obama to get involved at all either way tbh.

As for Putin that really is scaremongering Imo.

It's not up to anyone else is it?

What's the economist view on a new euro crisis brewing? Relevant or not?

Not relevant at the moment, the current meeting will result in a Greek deal, German economy will grow.

Who said it was up to anyone but British voters?

Obama has a right to say which outcome would suit his country best, and you have a right to completely ignore his opinion.

Also when the Brexit group are claiming victories from Australian Senators supporting them, I think the President of the United States is allowed an input.

I think that diplomacy would be better served by choosing not to state a preference.

And it is kind of funny coming from a president of the USA! Where the populace are usually so patriotic and proud of their nationhood Ime.

About Putin's pro-Brexit propaganda:

www.interpretermag.com/putins-media-are-pushing-britain-for-the-brexit/

I don't know, the POTUS has a right to make comment about international affairs as its a key role.

Come on, if Obama had come out and said that it would be better for the UK to back brexit we'd never here the end of it. Also I'd have had to research why he said it, I have a lot of respect for him.

In the end he has said it for the same reasons that many, many posters have outlined on here, that we are better off in!

Well obviously I support Obama's right to free speech..
Just take that as a given.

With respect to Obama I don't find him an expert on European affairs particularly. I mean I don't get his near deification but that's another thread.

Quick example springs to mind Lord David Owen, famously broke up the Labour party ( with a bit of help from his mates) on the back of supporting EEC the EU's precursor and has now come out for leaving EU.

That was a piece of news! And I would recommend that you read his views on the matter.

I've read the Owen article ages ago when it came out. The problem is that the draft Candadian deal is being used as the model which exempts public services and healthcare,

" It says that EU countries reserve the right to "adopt or maintain" measures excluding foreign companies from "health services which receive public funding or State support in any form and are therefore not considered to be privately funded".

fullfact.org/europe/does-ttip-mean-privatisation-nhs/

ISDS are part of an investment agreement and protect firms investments when countries seek to nationalise industries or companies and not pay any compensation. In fact UK companies have used them 42 times in the past. TTIP also has a clause exempting nationally owned utilities and the Trade commissioner has said that TTIP will set a gold standard in terms of ISDS.

The fears are stoked over US companies use of them toward Australia and Uruguay, Phillip Morris lost the Australia case this year.

As far as I know there has been no case where a health service has been privatised by and ISDS ruling.

I feel its just become a convineint tool to scare people with: "It could privatise the NHS." Which also completely ignores the 2012 Health and Social Care act, which opened the door to this anyway.

Also Boris Johnson said: "There is nothing not to like about TTIP."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11173369/This-trade-deal-with-America-would-have-Churchill-beaming.html

TTIP has just become a convenient point for objecting to the the EU and as much with the Brexit crowd, they either misunderstand the implications, or willfully misrepresent them in order to frighten people.All the while shouting about project fear.

Ah the irony.

Let's not run scared, vote to remain and in doing so vote to improve the EU and the lives of its citizens

Ah I see and how do you propose to do that?

I couldnt really care less who promotes or knocks brexit or remain.

I certainly dont care one jot what any out going president says either.

The UCL study also found that: "Recent immigrants, i.e. those who arrived since 2000, are less likely to both receiving benefits and living in social housing than natives." So the Social housing pressure is not down to immigration

You do realise that there are thousands and thousands of migrants, living in lodgings, recommended by friends ( ie huge network) no tenancy agreements, working cash in hand and all under every radar, and often with very limited - if at all, English? That is causing pressure.

You do know that the Blair government deliberately Fuzzed the counting of migrants so we really have no grasp on the guests living in our country.

any figures rolled out either way I always take with huge pinch of salt. Although my friend said at the time, polish news was reporting mass exodus.

We all know that the Brexit campaign would be fist pumping and yelling it from the rooftops if Obama had come out for Brexit

I never fist pump actually or shout from roof tops.