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Ethical dilemmas

Do I tell?

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StarryCole · 29/05/2012 00:32

I have a moral dilemma. Please bear with me as I really need your strength to do the right thing. Last summer. We were at my PIL's house. Only family there and what I mean by this is my husband's parents and his siblings only. Summer BBQ. I felt it a safe environment. My son, aged 3.5, is very active, likes to run around the house and garden and playing with various members of family. I didn't think he was in any danger. I thought I knew my husband's family well, we had been together 8 years. I thought it was safe.

My husband's 15 year old brother, I will call him Alan, exposed himself to my son, It was an opportunist moment. My son alone in Alan's bedroom for a brief time.
We were all downstairs doing the family thing, it did cross my mind where my son was but I didn't think anything of it. Nor did my husband, whose brother it was. Imagine your son or daughter with your brother or sister, together playing alone in a room for the briefest of moments?.

Later on, my son told me Uncle Alan sat him on his bed. Uncle Alan pulled his trousers and underpants and exposed himself. My son told me this in enough detail and I was utterly shocked. It was enough for me to call the police.

Much emotional turmoil between myself, my husband and his parents. It was I that instigated the involvement with the police. Alan's parents were reluctant and very protective. They still are.

Co-incidentally, Alan was pulled up by the police on an seperate issue, at about the same time. The police was monitoring him because he was cruising websites of a NAPPY fetish nature and participating in 'chats' online. He came to the attention of the police as in one of the chats, Alan mentioned he had a toddler nephew, my son. My son was wearing nappies at the time. Till this day, I do not know the contents of the chats nor the actual sites he was on. I can only guess....

The police let Alan off with the privisio he does therapy. Alan being only 15 at the time, his mental state..the risks and being from a supportive home. The police do not view Alan as dangerous. Alan is back at school and living at home.

Fast forward 1 year to today, and my husband's other brother Roger (brother to Alan as well) and his wife announced they are expecting their first child.

My PIL's had sworn us to secrecy. Although we never promised to keep quiet if another member of the family had a child. It is both I and my husband's moral thinking, Roger and his wife ought to be told, to empower them to protect their child.

My PILs, particularly, my FIL has threatened me that if I said anything, 'a big thing would come between us' i.e., I would be ousted in their eyes. They don't deem Alan as dangerous and they don't want any 'trouble' least all by me, least of all as Alan is 'sitting his exams at the moment'. They are being very threatening and we had a heated and serious disagreement. They are extremely protective of Alan, being young impressionable and probably prone to depression.
Any mention of my son and I get 'he'll not remember in a few years', 'nothing worse happened, he's hardly been affected'.

I believe Roger and his wife ought to know for the right reasons. As a parent first and foremost and for the safety of their child. Roger and his wife are good people, very responsible. I'm sure they would understand and be mature about it, like we have been. Alan is a 'good boy' in every other respect and is taking therapy.

Both myself and my husband are being pressured and threatened by my ILs. I know my PILs will never forgive me in particular - even if I said and did nothing 'being the woman/wife'.

Please, let me know your views. What would you do? And imagine this in your own family. Your son/daughter and brother or sister.

Thank you.

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QuietNinjaIsAngry · 14/06/2012 13:37

Good for you. I'm sorry your fil is such a wanker. I hope your dh pulls his head out of his arse and backs you up. Big hugs you must be finding this so hard x

PooPooInMyToes · 14/06/2012 13:39

Narrow minded!? To not want another child exposed to or worse!

What a cunt!

So you phoned your sil and she had already been told?

MrsSquirrel · 14/06/2012 13:46

You absolutely did the right thing Starry.

Sorry it is all so difficult for you. You are very brave.

PooPooInMyToes · 14/06/2012 13:48

How did the sil react anyway?

StarryCole · 14/06/2012 14:26

Reposted as earlier withdrawn.Here's the txt msg transcript (feel free to skip as posting my thoughts later) with FIL. Some edits have been made but only just to shorten each text posting otherwise msgs content are a true copy.

FIL Time 08:40: I don't think you realise how much upset you are causing and how much more it will escalate if you continue on this path of family destruction.....I implore you to move on for all concerned before it is too late. Please stop and think very hard about the wider picture. I have put up with over 60 years of personal family rejection though no fault of my own. Only you can stop a repeat of it!

Starrycole: And what is it you propose I do and agree with?

Starry Cole: All I'm asking is for SIL & BIL be informed so that they are empowered to protect their children. It is 1000000% the right thing to do bearing in mind the nuclear fallout. I have done nothing wrong AND I am requesting nothing wrong for this action to inform SIL & BIL.

StarryCole: If you believe I am the CAUSE for this family destruction then we continue to disagree. I am NOT the cause or to blame and neither are you or MIL. I will re-engage with your family once SIL and MIL are informed.

FIL: But you would not stop at that, as soon as there is another family member expecting you will start all over again. As I said, look at the bigger picture or do I have to spell it out to you?

Starrycole: I have deeply thought about the big picture.

FIL Time, Time 18:00: I am fed up of texting you, you are not taking any notice of what I am saying. So much for family values. If you insist on going against my wishes, mark my words you will be the loser.

Starrycole: Better me a loser than another child gets harmed.

FIL: Harmed for god-sake. Grow up. Who stopped your son from going upstairs 3 times where she was over last, it wasn't you was it?

This is a completely AND inflammatory lie - Starrycole.*
I did not respond, I went to the movies!!

FIL Time 20:30: Funny how it goes quiet when your parenting skills are being questioned....

After this, I called my SIL on the phone (you can imagine how I was feeling), 10pm. Extremely brief dialogue, apparently she had already been informed by MIL weekend just gone

StarryCole Time 21:00: Hopefully we can all move forward now. I'm glad MIL spoke to Roger's wife. Goodnight XXX

FIL: Well I hope you are happy now. You can start planning your next move to destroy my family. I think you are selfish and very narrow minded. At this time, if I ever see you again that would be too soon. That's mild compared to how MIL feels about you......

No response and I did not at all slag anyone off- Starrycole*

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PooPooInMyToes · 14/06/2012 14:29

I wondered about the names!

Madmum24 · 14/06/2012 16:12

OP you have done the right thing. i believe there is more to this, as someone said before that having a nappy fetish is not illegal, therefore the police would hardly be monitoring someone for this alone.

When I was a bit older than your ds my childminders teenage son exposed himself to me (asking me to touch it, which i declined) and told me not to tell his mum. This stayed with me for a while before I became very upset about it 9I felt bad because I assumed it was my fault). Anyway, my parents got it out of me and the childminder was informed. To cut a long story short, my childminder forced me to admit that i had made it up for attention, and made me apologize to her son and my parents. This feeling of not being believed was absolutely horrible and has stayed with me til now. A few years ago my father brought this up (he was slagging off my mum as they divorced soon after) and said my Mum wanted to brush it uder the carpet because she might not be able to find another childminder in our area! As a parent I just can't uderstand that ............

Anyway, you have done the right thing ((hugs))

lisad123 · 14/06/2012 16:22

You have done the right thing. We have no relationship with PIL for different reasons but the stress they caused and the abuse I got was awful. It feels a lot better now we have no contact at all. It's very hard on DH but he came to see that they were wrong and abusive and it wasn't teaching our girls anything and didn't want DDs to suffer same abuse once they were older.

Coconutty · 14/06/2012 16:29

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maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour · 14/06/2012 16:39

Well done, I really admire you for doing the right thing when it would've been so much easier to sweep it under the carpet

Your fil sounds like a controlling bullying twat. What has your DH had to say about the recent developments? Does he know how your fil has been speaking to you? My DH would not stand for anyone talking to me like that including his parents

I think you should take fil up on his offer to not see you again, and if I were you that would include my dc too, they have already proven they don't really care about your dc's well being so it would be very easy for me to cut them out entirely

Please don't let the behaviour of these vile people get to you, you have proven yourself to be an excellent mother and a strong wonderful woman, you should feel proud that you have protected not only your own child but your future dn's too

AmberLeaf · 14/06/2012 16:40

Well done OP.

Jux · 14/06/2012 16:41

Well, they knew about this before then, didn't they? He implies it was they who stopped your babe going upstairs 3 times themselves, so THEY ALREADY KNEW. If they had told you, YOU would have made sure he didn't go upstairs and then Alan would not have exposed himself to him. So much for their preventive measures. They've just proved they're inadequate.

I would have thought that the most sensible thing to do is inform all members of close family so that this episode is not repeated everytime a new couple get pregnant, but apparently your illogical FIL still thi is that it is better if he and MIL are left to inadequately police the situation.

They are barmy.

Well done you. How are you? Are you OK with this barrage of deflection of blame? This mountain of attempted justification through twisted logic?

How's your dh? (And what did your SIL say?(Me, nosey? Oh yes!))

EldritchCleavage · 14/06/2012 17:00

I admire you for doing this OP, in the face of all this nastiness. Rather than facing the same problem every time someone in the family is expecting, I think it would be wise to tell SS that 'Alan' is inadequately monitored by parents desperate to cover everything up and let them deal with it.

AuntieMaggie · 14/06/2012 17:04

I don't understand...MIL had already told SIL but FIL was still having a go at you???

Bossybritches22 · 14/06/2012 19:26

Hope you are OK Starrycole you are very brave & did the right thing.

StarryCole · 15/06/2012 14:31

To AuntieMaggie and Mumsnetter's

This entire episode has been about power struggles - more on that later.

I approached PIL?s to give them the opportunity to step up and do the right thing with their own family. I was told to fuck off in as many ways you can think of. DH. stepped in to moderate and get us all to agree to meet at ?some point in the future? to discuss ?next steps?. This was agreed at the start but I was constantly being attacked. What do I mean by attacked? Here?s just a few of the adjectives they?ve described me over text messages/ phonecalls:

??home wrecker?, ?bad mother?, ?selfish?, ?malicious?, ?ignorant?, ?narrow minded?, ?unqualified?, ?low morales? , ?bitch?, ?gun trigger?

Last Friday, I advised my DH to communicate to his parents the reason why we were not going to attend a family wedding because if I did attend, I was going to tell SIL/BIL right there and then (ooh..,imagine if there was a microphone - don?t put it past me). This is extremely vitriolic behaviour for me to even suggest it but hey, it WORKED. The very next day, my MIL get off her arse/head out of the sand and did what she ought to have done without ANYONE?s input and disclosed the secrets to her other expectant DIL/my SIL and Roger?s wife.

Of course MIL didn?t tell the rest of us and let her husband continue with the abusive txt messages. I put a stop to that by finding out for myself and picking up the phone to SIL. (see text message transcript earlier).

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StarryCole · 15/06/2012 14:38

And SIL?s reaction to me calling her? if you really wanted to know our conversation was extremely brief. She said she knew what I was calling about as MIL disclosed already and I asked her if it was out of order for me to call her and there was a sharp intake of breath and then this response I can understand why MIL is upset.

No questions, no comment, no niceties, just a very short call.

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StarryCole · 15/06/2012 14:43

As for my DH, he has little sympathy for me as he feels undermind by everyone and that I'm to blame for the receipt of these text messages and phonecalls from PIL and for responding to them. He says he always agreed with me and had my back and I didn't have to put myself in a position of being attacked. I accept that because I am the type of person who can stand up for herself and give it as good as she gets.

DH trully believes if I had allowed him to handle it, we would have avoided this nuclear fallout. He has shut this out and refuses to cut ties with his family whilst I have been officially disowned. He says he will do his best to 'repair things' however.

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waltermittymissus · 15/06/2012 14:46

They're all nasty, horrible people your "D"H included and if I were you I would be kicking his sorry arse back to his toxic family.

Lovetats · 15/06/2012 14:50

Are you sure that MIL has told SIL the truth? Why would your SIL be short with you??

It strikes me that MIL might have said that you are slandering Alan?

EldritchCleavage · 15/06/2012 14:50

Don't go and see PIL. Don't let your DS go and see PIL (not even with his father).
I don't think you should just accept you brought the abuse on yourself. It is extreme and revolting. I really would be planning my exit from this nasty family.
Best of luck with everything OP.

1950sHousewife · 15/06/2012 14:53

Starry - you have done the right thing throughout.

Your PILs and even your SIL sound like controlling frightening people. I would certainly stay away from them. And personally, I would make them aware that if they start slagging you off to all and sundry you will have no option but to defend yourself, which means that unfortunately Alan will be once again dragged into this.

I would tell your DH and PILs that there is now a line in the sand under this one and that they should keep respectfully silent about you and you should try and do the same.

Well done.

Bossybritches22 · 15/06/2012 15:15

Well done Starry, I hope Roger & Mrs Roger will come to see how difficult this has been for you & that they are suitably grateful. it would be interesting to talk to SIL quietly on her own to tell her the truth & see what her personal feelings are as opposed to the party line she has been fed by the IL's.

I would be beyond Angry if that were my DH's reaction however & I would not be going anywhere near the IL's till hell freezes over for a loooooonnnnngggg time.

Jux · 15/06/2012 16:07

I hope that Mr & Mrs Roger have been told the truth not some glossed-over minimized thing where you have been made out as a complete nutjob. SIL's response doesn't sound like she has any real idea of what has happened, unless Roger has treated her in a similar way to how the PILs have treated you.

DH may have got your back but it certainly didn't look like it. He needs to understand that sometimes there isn't a 'Tony Blair' middle way, sometimes there is a right way and a wrong way, and your PILs were wrong.

Good luck dealing with these vile people, really. Rather you than me, though.

anychocswilldo · 15/06/2012 16:27

Well done op, you have done the right thing. I'm sorry your pil are being so evil and your dh s being so unsupportive! You can hold your head high despite the fact your sil sounds like an ungrateful cow I wouldn't put up with any mre abuse from these people, I would inform dh that if there is any more verbal abuse u will b informing the police. What do u have to lose? I would also consider yourself lucky that u and ds are away from such an abusive on many levels controlling and toxic family. It's a shame this was left to u, forgive me but your dh sounds spineless to firstly not have taken this situation in hand and to have allowed u to b spoken to and treated in this way.

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