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Am I being overly sensitive about this comment?

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:23

I think maybe that I am but tbh I’m so exhausted from everything in my life that I’m questioning myself.

Quick background.

My parents are elderly (early 80’s). My sister and I both live very close to our parents (we are all in the same village). Dsis lives with her partner and I live with my dh and dc.

Mum has been unwell during the last 6 years. She was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s in 2018. She has heart disease, is bent over with osteoporosis and this year was diagnosed with breast cancer. Mum lives with dad. Mum’s dementia is obviously getting worse but she can drink and feed herself, is mobile, toilets herself and still recognises us etc but is obviously getting worse and will never get better. They have a carer for an hour every morning to help mum shower and dress.

My sister and I help out as much as we can. I help more as I work part time and my dsis works more hours.
I pop in on my parents around 5 days a week and will help them with as much as I can with their day to day living. Tbh, I have done too much over the years but handed some of it over to my sister a few months ago as it was getting too much and I had a small breakdown over the workload and my own health issues which I’m struggling with atm.

My father is not always an easy man, he puts a lot of stumbling blocks in the way and can make our lives quite tricky and says no to a lot of suggestions for things which could make his and our lives easier but I do what I can because of my mum, she was a great mother.
But it is bloody hard work juggling my own life and theirs. Not made any easier by the fact dad has hundreds of thousands in the bank but refuses to pay out for many things, he seems to be from an era where he believes family should help out. As I say, I do all I can for them. My sister goes round about twice a week. One of these days she cleans (sometimes it’s once a week, sometimes once a fortnight). I refuse to clean a) because I despise cleaning and b)I’m not cleaning my parents house when they have £400k sitting in the bank, dad can easily afford a weekly cleaner but refuses.

To give dad a break and stimulation for my mum she goes to a day centre twice a week for afternoon sessions (12-3pm). I make her a packed lunch for these two days (which I pay for myself as dad has never offered to reimburse me). Currently, one of these days my dad takes and collects mum as I’m having counselling atm but when that’s finished in a few weeks I have offered to take her. The other day I usually take or collect her or do both so to give dad a few hours to himself.

So on to the issue which has upset me. This week we had mum’s usual 3 month review with the day centre. I always attend with dad as he likes the support. My sister is never offered to come and that’s her prerogative.

So we were chatting away and the day center carer said to dad that it must be nice for him to have a few hours to himself every week to do his own thing. He replied ‘Well, yes and no. By the time I’ve dropped her off it’s basically time to come back’. He never mentioned that at least one of these days per week I do the dropping off/picking up but I didn’t say anything.
She then said how difficult it must be for him to do everything himself. I gently added, ‘Well, we (dsis and I) do help as much as we can for you, don’t we dad?’. He replied ‘Yes, I have two daughters, one cleans for me and the other (looked at me smirking)….doesn’t!’. (My sister has always been his favourite child and can never do wrong).
I kind of laughed and replied ‘No but I do lots of other things to help you though don’t I?’ He then looked at me and said ‘Pfff, you? Help? What do you do? A few sandwich’s??’.

The lady looked uncomfortable at that remark and I felt so upset. It looked as though I do sod all for them when the truth is that I do everything I can to help my parents as I know my dad struggles to accept my mum’s diagnosis and their future and I hate seeing them both struggle.

I couldn’t help myself, when we came out I turned him and said that comment really hurt me and made me look as though I do nothing to help you and that couldn’t be further from the truth. He replied that I was being too sensitive and it was ‘just a joke’. I said but it’s not a joke, it was personal and hurt. He wouldn’t accept that and said I was being silly. He has form for being sharp tongued and taking the piss out of people, he spent his whole career in a male dominated industry where everyone took the piss out off each other and that mentality has never left him, he still does this to people and he has zero idea how much he hurts people or pisses them off.

Maybe I am being super sensitive but dealing with elderly parents and dementia is bloody hard work and tbh I don’t see it as a joke not at all. And he never seems to appreciate what we do for him, especially anything I do.

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LadyDanburysHat · 05/07/2024 10:28

No you are not being over sensitive, and I would pull back on what I did to help just to show him how much you do. But I can be really petty like that.

I do think it can be really hard with some of the older generation that it is expected that you drop everything to help them, and you shouldn't expect them to be grateful at all.

DeborahVance · 05/07/2024 10:32

I'm sorry, that is completely infuriating. I am glad you are holding your line and not cleaning. All you can do is keep your boundaries at a place where you are comfortable and ignore what he says. It is shitty behaviour on his part.

PeachPairPlum · 05/07/2024 10:34

Well I can be a bad tempered bitch when ppl wind me up and would've kicked off about this, probably in front of the day centre lady.

No way is it a jokey little Comment!

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:38

LadyDanburysHat · 05/07/2024 10:28

No you are not being over sensitive, and I would pull back on what I did to help just to show him how much you do. But I can be really petty like that.

I do think it can be really hard with some of the older generation that it is expected that you drop everything to help them, and you shouldn't expect them to be grateful at all.

Thank you.
Tbh, I have pulled back from what I was doing which was literally everything and I don’t think he likes it, he’s been snippy with me every since.
It’s so darn hard finding the right balance. I want to help especially for my dear mum’s sake but I can’t lose my mind over this and do everything for him. He really doesn’t seem to appreciate just what we do and can’t find it in him to actually say thanks.
A couple of weeks ago I stood for 6 hours in A&E with him and mum when mum collapsed. The place was full of old people all on their own, most looked so lost and bewildered with no family or friends to advocate for them. He just couldn’t say thank you. I have no idea why it is so difficult for him, he’s never been a particularly proud man so it’s not that. Just wish he wasn’t so bloody mean spirited all the time.

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SiobhanSharpe · 05/07/2024 10:39

Quite honestly I'd remind him in detail of what I actually do (not what he thinks I do) snd intimate that if he's not happy with that I can always back away. And he csn pay for extra help.
He's not at work anymore and he can't treat people as if he's still in an all-male environment where everyone gets 'the bants'.

Brefugee · 05/07/2024 10:40

that sounds really hard, OP. So in your shoes i would pull back from doing anything at all for you dad and focus on your mum who you clearly love very much. Your sister can carry on doing what she thinks is right, but you shouldn't compare yourself to her. Each of you, sisters, have chosen your own path and that is how it should be.

Good luck, and don't worry. You ARE a good daughter, and it doesn't matter what people with their own agenda think.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 10:41

@Theyearwas1973 you were not over sensitive. He was out of order. Step right back and ‘put your own oxygen mask on first’. So many of us on here muddling through with parents who seem to think we adult children have nothing better to do than run around doing for our elderly, when most of what we do is wrong or criticised. FOG - mentioned on here often is something to read up on Flowers https://outofthefog.website/toolbox-1/2015/11/17/fog-fear-obligation-guilt

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:43

Thanks everyone. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t being super sensitive. I have a great sense of humour and love a good joke as much as the next person but never do I ever make a joke at someone else’s expense, that’s just not funny imo.

I am scaling back as much as I can (I have mentioned my dad on here on another thread in the past and most replies suggested I did just this) but the guilt is quite overwhelming at times especially as all dad does when I visit is moan how much his life is over yet refuses to spend any of his money to make their life’s easier.

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:44

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 10:41

@Theyearwas1973 you were not over sensitive. He was out of order. Step right back and ‘put your own oxygen mask on first’. So many of us on here muddling through with parents who seem to think we adult children have nothing better to do than run around doing for our elderly, when most of what we do is wrong or criticised. FOG - mentioned on here often is something to read up on Flowers https://outofthefog.website/toolbox-1/2015/11/17/fog-fear-obligation-guilt

Thanks for this.
I am currently having counselling to try and overcome this awful guilt and to be able to find the right balance to live my own life and help my parents.

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SearchBedSocksNearMe · 05/07/2024 10:53

I would be livid to be shown up like that. How insulting after all you do for them! I would take a huge step back - he can hardly complain can he as you apparently do nothing anyway? If he has such a low opinion of you, and is prepared to share it with the professionals involved in his and his wife's care, you may as well live your life to suit yourself.

maksgames · 05/07/2024 10:55

Oh, I definitely think you're not overly sensitive. It's hard to keep in touch with older generation and not to become insane xd

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:56

SearchBedSocksNearMe · 05/07/2024 10:53

I would be livid to be shown up like that. How insulting after all you do for them! I would take a huge step back - he can hardly complain can he as you apparently do nothing anyway? If he has such a low opinion of you, and is prepared to share it with the professionals involved in his and his wife's care, you may as well live your life to suit yourself.

That’s exactly how I felt, completely shown up. It was such a passive-aggressive comment. The poor carer looked really uncomfortable. I couldn’t concentrate after that either and pretended to check texts on my phone. Luckily the session was coming to an end.

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:56

I am always questioning my own insanity these days maksgames

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KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 05/07/2024 10:56

He doesn’t have dementia. You are allowed to tell him he’s behaving badly and that as you don’t do anything for him then he won’t notice if you stop.

And stop.

Find ways to help your mum that aren’t about helping him. Take her out, if that’s something she’d enjoy.

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 05/07/2024 10:58

I d also throw in the occasional passive aggressive- ‘if only you could afford a cleaner’.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:06

The guilt is overwhelming BUT stop and think for a moment. You may feel guilty but you are NOT guilty. The guilt should sit with our elderly parents, often as with yours and mine with ample funds to employ professional assistance or have made sensible adaptations and arrangements to ‘future proof’ themselves. Mine just buried their heads in the sand about 20 years ago - literally mocking their peers who were downsizing or adapting their homes to ensure they could stay in the home they have always lived in. Every single suggestion made to adapt was met with utter derision as though we were a little bit ‘stupid’ that a downstairs bathroom might be a good idea. Every single suggestion that advice from medical professionals about proper care was met with derision. Yes this could have been a fear of aging and death on their part, however in my case it was simply either naive arrogance that they would never need outside help or frankly some kind of defiance disorder that they ‘knew better’ and when we need help the ‘family will rally’. No thought to the fact we are not all sat around with no lives of our own to lead, challenges ourselves, health issues, our own DC and grandchildren to care for. To anyone flaming those of us as not caring - trust me it takes incredible energy and is exhausting trying to help defiant, stubborn elderly parents.

CeruleanDive · 05/07/2024 11:08

He sounds vile. I would look after your mum, and tell him that as your help is of no value to him, you will not be doing the same for him, once your DM has passed.

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:13

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:06

The guilt is overwhelming BUT stop and think for a moment. You may feel guilty but you are NOT guilty. The guilt should sit with our elderly parents, often as with yours and mine with ample funds to employ professional assistance or have made sensible adaptations and arrangements to ‘future proof’ themselves. Mine just buried their heads in the sand about 20 years ago - literally mocking their peers who were downsizing or adapting their homes to ensure they could stay in the home they have always lived in. Every single suggestion made to adapt was met with utter derision as though we were a little bit ‘stupid’ that a downstairs bathroom might be a good idea. Every single suggestion that advice from medical professionals about proper care was met with derision. Yes this could have been a fear of aging and death on their part, however in my case it was simply either naive arrogance that they would never need outside help or frankly some kind of defiance disorder that they ‘knew better’ and when we need help the ‘family will rally’. No thought to the fact we are not all sat around with no lives of our own to lead, challenges ourselves, health issues, our own DC and grandchildren to care for. To anyone flaming those of us as not caring - trust me it takes incredible energy and is exhausting trying to help defiant, stubborn elderly parents.

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We must have the same parents.
This has literally been our battle for years too. My parents had put absolutely nothing in place for their future. They live in a very large, 100 year old house which is totally unsuitable for them. They mocked my in-laws for downsizing and paying in advance for their funeral etc. My dh has zero issues with his father and didn’t have any problems when his poor mum passed away a few years ago as everything had been put in place and settled in advance.
My parents on the other hand………

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Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:16

KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 05/07/2024 10:56

He doesn’t have dementia. You are allowed to tell him he’s behaving badly and that as you don’t do anything for him then he won’t notice if you stop.

And stop.

Find ways to help your mum that aren’t about helping him. Take her out, if that’s something she’d enjoy.

I have gently tried to tell him he’s being unreasonable at times but he just shouts at me that ‘He’s 82’ and that I have zero idea what he’s dealing with.
Well, if I genuinely didn’t then I wouldn’t be spending half my life fretting and worrying about them. No, the truth is that he has zero idea how their predicament is driving me to insanity.
But, of course, I’m just being over sensitive!

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WhatHaveIFound · 05/07/2024 11:20

You're absolutely not being overly sensitive and comments like this hurt. It sounds like you need to step back for the sake of your own mental health.

Maybe some older people just bury their heads in the sand when it comes to making changes when aging? I would point out how much he could make their lives easier if he paid for a little help instead of relying on you and your sister.

I sat in on numerous medical appointments when my mum has said that she has no family to help out. Eventually I just snapped and pointed out how much I was doing for her and dad. She looked embarrassed but didn't apologise.

It made me take a step back for a while but I still got dragged back in. These days I do get a very brief 'thank you' for after most visits and I recently heard that she was singing my praises to my sister (living overseas) but there's never any real appreciation.

BlueLegume · 05/07/2024 11:22

@Theyearwas1973 sounds exactly like my DH and his parents. Moved years ago to a really delightful manageable place which they maintain so it is really easy to look after but still a lovely space. They have a cleaner, gardening they manage themselves with a guy coming in every quarter to do the big jobs. Mine though….literally like yours and as you said mocked people. DF is now safe in a nursing facility - all being paid for as we secured CHC (continuing healthcare ). Even when we secured the CHC DM was not happy. Baffling. DM has picked off every relative neighbour and friend by her rudeness so everyone has backed off. She refused to let in a gardener we secured. The cleaner who came a few times decided to decline the job, even though we offered to double the rate. Yes my DM perhaps is struggling but at the same time absolutely defiantly tells us every suggestion to make life easier/nicer ‘isn’t what she wants’. It feels like as she is miserable with her lot we all have to be as well. Reality is she has always been that way so unlikely to change at this stage. Nothing is ever right. Also we know she does not have dementia we have had every test going.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 05/07/2024 11:24

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 10:38

Thank you.
Tbh, I have pulled back from what I was doing which was literally everything and I don’t think he likes it, he’s been snippy with me every since.
It’s so darn hard finding the right balance. I want to help especially for my dear mum’s sake but I can’t lose my mind over this and do everything for him. He really doesn’t seem to appreciate just what we do and can’t find it in him to actually say thanks.
A couple of weeks ago I stood for 6 hours in A&E with him and mum when mum collapsed. The place was full of old people all on their own, most looked so lost and bewildered with no family or friends to advocate for them. He just couldn’t say thank you. I have no idea why it is so difficult for him, he’s never been a particularly proud man so it’s not that. Just wish he wasn’t so bloody mean spirited all the time.

That’d be it for me for a while. I’d be ‘too ill’ to help out. He is a rude idiot.

blackandwhitestripes · 05/07/2024 11:25

What a nasty piece of work, your poor mum. I'd be pulling right back on any support.

It's hard as I know that will impact on mum but he needs to help himself more and like you say pay for help and cleaners etc.

Harvestfestivalknickers · 05/07/2024 11:31

I'd step back. Next time you speak to him I'd be making the comment ' let me know when you want me to come round and make some sandwiches'.

Jellycats4life · 05/07/2024 11:33

Theyearwas1973 · 05/07/2024 11:13

We must have the same parents.
This has literally been our battle for years too. My parents had put absolutely nothing in place for their future. They live in a very large, 100 year old house which is totally unsuitable for them. They mocked my in-laws for downsizing and paying in advance for their funeral etc. My dh has zero issues with his father and didn’t have any problems when his poor mum passed away a few years ago as everything had been put in place and settled in advance.
My parents on the other hand………

Ugh this is so familiar. FIL spent the last 30 years squirrelling money away in the bank, never to be spent, whilst letting his house go to wrack and ruin around him.

When he suddenly fell ill last summer, that’s when he told MIL that she should look into having a downstairs bathroom installed. Well it was too bloody late. They had to rush through a will and POA too, because absolutely nothing was in place.

Now MIL is a widow and the house is completely unsuitable for her, in an awful state. It’s not even worth spending the immense amount of money required to get it in a decent condition, because she isn’t likely to feel the benefit. Keep hinting that she should be open to the idea of downsizing but I’m not sure if she will.

As for your dad @Theyearwas1973 unfortunately it’s a case of once a bully, always a bully. Age doesn’t soften them.