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Elderly parents

Older people rebel to keep sense of control, research finds

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MereDintofPandiculation · 21/12/2022 19:59

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/21/older-people-rebel-to-keep-sense-of-control-study-finds

so next time your elder is being awkward, remember it’s good for them Grin

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picklemewalnuts · 21/12/2022 20:12

Lord above. Mine's being unbelievable at the moment.

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 09:15

Hrmph. They can be as independent as they like if I don't have to deal with the consequences.

I'd much rather they were independent!

The examples given in the article seem fine. If mum doesn't want an emergency button, it's really okay for me, but she's the one who would potentially be lying on the floor all day with a broken bone.

the constant refrain of "I will manage" really means "I will cock it up and then ask you to fix it at short notice".

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 09:16

picklemewalnuts · 21/12/2022 20:12

Lord above. Mine's being unbelievable at the moment.

Sorry pickle. It's helish.

picklemewalnuts · 22/12/2022 09:17

"I will cock it up and then ask you to fix it at short notice".

Doesn't it just! Mine complains endlessly that no one helps. Doesn't let you do anything. Then makes a mess and panics leaving me to clear up something horrendously complicated.

Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 09:19

Well that's all well and good but the families must be driven to distraction with all the "'Shenanigans '"

picklemewalnuts · 22/12/2022 09:19

And apparently if only someone would give her some time, it would be fine. We give her hours and hours of our time and still get nowhere!

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 22/12/2022 09:22

The study was about people born in 1921! There can't be too many of them about who are fit and able to rebel, surely?

Glassofwhatever · 22/12/2022 09:22

There's obviously enough !

Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 09:23

I think it was 28 95 year old! So basically the "research " was just a chat with Pauline from Newcastle

picklemewalnuts · 22/12/2022 09:30

It doesn't quite reflect my mum's behaviour which is more about entitlement than independence. Sounds like my dad, though!

Gloriousgardener11 · 22/12/2022 09:43

Yes mine both moan and groan about their lot but when I offer help, solutions or a different way of doing xy and z it's met with contempt as if I'm a small child who knows nothing.
Drives me insane and I have to scream into a thick cushion when I get home.

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/12/2022 09:44

IToldYouAmillionTimesAlready · 22/12/2022 09:22

The study was about people born in 1921! There can't be too many of them about who are fit and able to rebel, surely?

It was a study of 95 year-olds. I presume the data was collected in 2016 and it’s taken them that long to collate, analyse, write up and publish.

The study was looking at what helped them live active and happy lives to a great age. There’s over 600,000 people of 90 and over, and the number is steadily increasing.

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Badger1970 · 22/12/2022 09:45

I have to say it gets easier when they actually accept that you're doing/saying things because you're worrrying about them.

It's taken near death for my Dad to accept that he will do whatever I think is best..... he's given me more grey hair in the last 6 months than my DC have managed in 30 years Xmas Hmm

MereDintofPandiculation · 22/12/2022 09:51

Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 09:23

I think it was 28 95 year old! So basically the "research " was just a chat with Pauline from Newcastle

That’s the usual problem. You can have a large sample without a lot of detail, or a small sample with a lot more detail. So in practice you try to have both.

i was pleased to see the suggestion to change the balance between perfect physical safety and autonomy. I saw a suggestion the other day that younger cancer patients were more likely to want extra years at any cost, whereas older ones were more likely to accept a shorter life in exchange for better quality. A lot of the talk around older people is about “keeping them safe” at the expense of quality of life.

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Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 09:59

But the older people are " rebelling" and having a "slide" there is usually worried families trying to look after them I don't think elderly people should be totally compliant but a little bit of thought for the people around them helps. Imo

Remaker · 22/12/2022 10:07

In my case rebellion from my 87 year old mum has included completely refusing to consider moving out of her home until she is in an absolute health crisis, leaving me to rush all over the place to find emergency options for her. Apparently my brother and I should have been willing to travel 2 hours+ round trip every couple of days to ‘help’ so that she could continue to do as she pleased.

The health crisis was caused by another act of rebellion- completely ignoring very obvious symptoms and not going to the dr. So a cancer that is very treatable when caught early has become advanced and incurable. And again it is me taking her to all the appointments and dealing with her meltdowns.

Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 10:41

There is a difference between independent and stubborn of course older people should be as independent as possible. But stubbornness harms them why would they want to put themselves in danger.

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 11:39

Remaker · 22/12/2022 10:07

In my case rebellion from my 87 year old mum has included completely refusing to consider moving out of her home until she is in an absolute health crisis, leaving me to rush all over the place to find emergency options for her. Apparently my brother and I should have been willing to travel 2 hours+ round trip every couple of days to ‘help’ so that she could continue to do as she pleased.

The health crisis was caused by another act of rebellion- completely ignoring very obvious symptoms and not going to the dr. So a cancer that is very treatable when caught early has become advanced and incurable. And again it is me taking her to all the appointments and dealing with her meltdowns.

Oh I feel for you. I understand refusing treatment for things but only if you are then prepared to accept the consequences.

My mother, to give her credit where it is very much due, has refused any life extending treatment options (heart related) and is very annoyed at still being here.

Over the years, I have been pleased when she's called and said she's done stuff independently. She's even been to cafes alone - unthinkable ten years ago. In the heatwave, she went to town early, got a milkshake alone in a pla e with air con. A big thing for her.

What pisses me off is the "shall I just go on the stepladder briefly" -NO! Who will have more weeks of hell when you've broken a bone?

I now just say that sort of thing. When we put her in respite care recently, I just told her - through tears - that she was going for my benefit, even if she thought she didn't need it.

I do remember genuinely feeling that I might die of stress before dad died though. He was always conscious of not being a bother.

There is a much bigger risk I will go before mum now, as I am fat, and have recently taken up smoking. People in the family have heart attacks in late 40s when they actually looked after themselves.

Dad also apologised for being a bother, every day, for the last three months of his life. I really appreciated that. Didn't help much at the time, but I appreciated it.

My neighbour recently lost his mum, at 100. I said sorry when I saw him. He told me to please stop talking. The relief was writ large. I cannot begin to understand how he has coped. He's been at his mum's nearly every day since I moved here - 14 years ago. He has a two week holiday every year but that's it.

And breathe.....

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 11:42

Btw I don't take the article seriously as "research".

I am not obsessed with keeping the olds "safe". I'm trying to protect myself from the fallout of anything silly.

Coxspurplepippin · 22/12/2022 11:48

'What pisses me off is the "shall I just go on the stepladder briefly" -NO! Who will have more weeks of hell when you've broken a bone?'

I think you're me. We've had to deal with the aftermath of very elderly parent insisting they're capable of doing things they're demonstrably incapable of. Then it's me, the schmuck, who has to deal with the injury aftermath, the impact on confidence which means they become generally less capable.

I do wonder what I'll be like at their age, if I get that far - probably exactly the same. DParent says they feel 17 years old inside, just a shame the externals are 75 years older!

Mrsjayy · 22/12/2022 11:58

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 11:42

Btw I don't take the article seriously as "research".

I am not obsessed with keeping the olds "safe". I'm trying to protect myself from the fallout of anything silly.

This sums it up for me.

We have had to deal with the fall out of not seeing a Dr it's bloody frustrating !

EmmaAgain22 · 22/12/2022 12:01

Coxs - poor you. Mum didn't actually go on the stepladder in the end. She responds quite well to being yelled at. Took me a while to sort as I am not naturally inclined to yelling.

I do feel like a carefree 17 year old a lot of the time - (or I did in 2019 but a lot has changed since then). Then I remember the parent situation and feel low all over again.

I definitely don't want to hit that age but no kids, so nobody's burden.

it feels like I have had old parents forever. I should take a break from this board probably!

Coxspurplepippin · 22/12/2022 12:09

It's hard - you love them, hate to see them declining but when they won't do things that will help it's very frustrating. DParent doesn't get enough fluids so continual issues with UTIs - I can understand,they have mobility issues so having to struggle to the loo often is difficult, so they won't drink, but that causes more problems.

Never ending circle of not drinking, decline in mobility and cognitive function, urine test, UTI confirmed, antibiotics, infection clears up and a month later we're back to square one.

Coxspurplepippin · 22/12/2022 12:10

And the yelling - you end up feeling like such a bully, but it's either yelling or tears.........

SpangoDweller · 22/12/2022 12:12

the constant refrain of "I will manage" really means "I will cock it up and then ask you to fix it at short notice".

This. Phoning me in tears because she can’t get out of bed, but refuses to get a bed rail, a recliner or anything that would help.