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To have told my dad he’s a tight arse.

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Twoweekcruise · 13/12/2021 12:18

My parents are 80. My mum sadly has Alzheimer’s and other health issues. My dad is in good health.
They are both lucky in the sense that his two daughters (myself and younger dsis) both live within walking distance from them.
We help out as much as possible. My sister works full time and I, part time. My sister pops in and cleans for my parents once a week. I pop in most days, between dsis and I we do their washing. I organise all of mums hospital and doctors appointments, I wash and dry mums hair, cut and polish her nails, change and make their beds, take mum to a day centre once a week and generally keep a check on them as dad isn’t too good at most of these things (and says they aren’t yet ‘ready’ for carers or outside help!).
Before I carry on and for clarity, my parents are not hard up for money. Mum inherited several years ago from her parents and dad took it upon himself to invest ‘their’ money. They have many thousands (enough to buy a family home) in the bank. They do very little with their lives and their outs-goings are small.p, they spend little and of course that’s totally up to them!
Yesterday my 16 year old son and I visited nan and grandad (whilst I cut and painted my mums nails) and ds decided to stay after I left. My dsis was there, she was cleaning their house. She cleaned from 1-6pm. Ds swept their driveway and concreted an area in the back garden for grandad.
When ds returned he said my dad had given him £10 and my dsis £20 for their help.
I messaged my sister and asked if he gave her that amount each week and she said yes but she doesn’t do it for the money. I said that’s not the point. She is a professional cleaner and charges £15 per hour.
I’ve told him today that isn’t on, he should pay her more, ffs she was cleaning for 5 bloody hours for a measly £20.
AIBU to think he should step up and pay her more, seeing that it’s him not pulling his weight and cleaning his own bloody house, it’s minging.

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Fimofriend · 13/12/2021 12:26

Yes. She is his daughter. Either he pays her the full amount or he should even top it up because she is his daughter and it is nice that he doesn't have to invite a stranger into the home to do it.

I just found out that my parents give my brother a bottle of wine occasionally when he helps them out with something. Before I moved to the UK he never helped. It was always my DH and me. We didn't even get a bottle of wine when we helped them shop for a car and my DH phoned different dealerships and got the price down with more than £3000. But I guess they figure he is less likely to help so they need to sweeten the deal for him.

Fimofriend · 13/12/2021 12:26

I mean they got a discount that was more than £3000

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 13/12/2021 12:29

As far as you are concerned tell them you are going self employed and your rates for beauty treatments is x amount...
They are Cfers. Age isn't an excuse to take the piss. Family or not...

Mamamia7962 · 13/12/2021 12:32

They don't force you or your sister to do these things. If you feel it's too much to cope with then tell them.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 13/12/2021 12:32

To be honest I wouldn't expect my parents to pay me for helping them out, I would just do it for them whatever their financial situation.

Twoweekcruise · 13/12/2021 12:35

@Mamamia7962

They don't force you or your sister to do these things. If you feel it's too much to cope with then tell them.
Sadly it’s not that black and white. Of course they don’t force us but mum has dementia and if you have any experience of this dreadful disease you will know it’s not that easy just to step back and not help your parents who are struggling. If it were that simple we would. It’s not too much to cope with either (atm) but it would just feel a lot easier if dad was a little more generous. I say dad as mum would have helped out if it were the other way around. She was always more thoughtful and generous.
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Watchingpeppa12 · 13/12/2021 12:37

I wouldn’t expect parents to pay me either I’m afraid

HollowTalk · 13/12/2021 12:41

I think you should tell your dad that he should pay your sister the same amount he'd have to pay for a cleaner. Those are hours that she could be working.

DoodleBelle · 13/12/2021 12:41

I wouldn’t expect to be paid in this situation maybe a nice gift from time to time to show general appreciation like wine or a plant or something but I think it’s a bit cold expecting relatives to pay for services as if they were just anyone.

LefttoherownDevizes · 13/12/2021 12:41

This is tough.

I wouldn't expect parents to pay me for helping out but I wouldn't do the account of things you do for them.

Why are you doing them? If it's out of genuine love/concern then it doesn't matter what they pay (and actually any money would be offensive bar a gift now and again to say thank you).

If it is cos these things need to be done and crucially they want them done you need to sit down with then what they want done how often, and what they want to pay. If they don't want to pay then you need to determine if you want to cover it between you as family, if they do want to pay ask them who they want to do it.

I Would never expect payment from family for any of these things

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 13/12/2021 12:44

If your dd is a Cleaner and dad has asked her to then clean for him too, he should pay the going rate.

It's different if you Bob round on a Saturday morning to throw the vacuum around for them.

lockdownalli · 13/12/2021 12:45

No way would I have expected or accepted money from my DF when he was alive for cleaning his flat or helping him in any way.

It's nice to give your DS money for helping, but aside from that I think YABU.

AnotherDelphinium · 13/12/2021 12:46

I think part of the problem is he probably thinks he’s being very generous, he forgets that actually we’re in 2021, and that £ doesn’t go very far.

My grandad was in his 90’s when he passed, and he used to take us out for a fish and chip lunch, he’d be a bit shocked when the bill came (totally normal bill, he’s just expecting prices from the 70’s) and would tip the waitress a 50p.

whynotwhatknot · 13/12/2021 12:50

Forget all the money hes saying theyre not ready for carers because you two are doing everything for them

dial it back a bit and say youve got work and family also and they need to sort out carers now to take the burden off of yout wo

jpbee · 13/12/2021 12:59

In my opinion the bigger issue is the fact they are ok with you doing all of this, rather than how much they pay you. I don't understand why they can't hire a cleaner/carers to take the load off you and your sister. Or are they afraid of strangers coming in the house/covid risk etc?

Chely · 13/12/2021 13:05

They're not ready for outside help because you are all doing it for them. If you're not happy to help unrewarded then tell him he has to employ help. If you are happy to help just because you care about them then keep doing it and think of any reward as a general treat. I wouldn't expect financial reward for helping out my parents, they looked after me for many years so it's pay back.

Antsgomarching · 13/12/2021 13:10

I wouldn’t expect payment but I would expect them to get some external help if they can afford it.

Coldenough · 13/12/2021 13:14

I wouldn’t want to be paid in those circumstances but if they gave me the odd £20 to say thanks, as in your sister’s case, then I would be more than happy with that.

MatildaTheCat · 13/12/2021 13:20

Getting elderly parents to accept outside help can be the hardest thing in the world. If your DS needs to spend 5 hours of her weekend cleaning for them ( with laundry and bed changes not even in that) then they need more help.

Suggest to her she is unable to give up so much of her weekend and offers them a weekday slot at her normal rate. I bet they decline. Have you researched local home help available? My DM did accept one supplied by a local statutory agency.

No answers but much sympathy.

RoseJam · 13/12/2021 13:21

What do you and your sister actually want from your parents? Honestly?

If you and your sister want to be paid for the hours you could otherwise be working, and your parents can afford it, then there is nothing wrong with asking them for a contribution. If so, you should tell them. I'm sure your parents would rather they pay you and your DSIS than outside help, and would be mortified if they thought you were financially worse off as a result.

However, if you want to do it because they are your family and out of love for them, then I can imagine your DF is only giving such a small amount by way of expressing a token gesture of appreciation - rather than trying to pay for the value of services he has received.

timeisnotaline · 13/12/2021 13:23

I wouldn’t be doing that for my parents because they can pay for a cleaner, it wouldn’t impact them so why expect me to clean for them? I’d help out for sure but not basic stuff you can hire in.

Justmuddlingalong · 13/12/2021 13:29

I wouldn't expect or accept money for helping family. But, I would expect a serious family conversation involving everyone, about plans for external help and support. The level of support you're giving isn't sustainable and will sadly become higher and I think that needs to be addressed.

Beautiful3 · 13/12/2021 13:32

He didn't ask for that help. You've all decided to do it, because you want to, not for money. Whatever he gives is nice.

Ohdofuckoffcovid · 13/12/2021 13:34

Either do it out of love or get help in, which they need to pay for.

startled · 13/12/2021 13:36

I imagine you and your sister help and clean as your DF doesn't think he needs outside help yet but without family help it would be a very quick downwards spiral that you can see but maybe he can't
I wouldn't expect payment from my parents but having said that I think they need some outside help rather than family doing so much
I also agree with pp who said that your DF probably isn't up to date with 2021 prices and costs and actually thinks he's being generous

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