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Homosexuality in the Classroom.

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Darcey1 · 25/11/2009 13:40

My daughter is nine. Yesterday she came home from school and said that her teacher had told the class that she was a lesbian. The teacher is about to have one of these civil partnerships and according to my daughter told the class that girls could marry girls and boys could marry boys if they wanted to.It was according to her entirely natural. This seems like corruption to me. I don't want my daughter exposed to this kind of lifestyle.

I am very upset about this and don't know what to do. Am I over reacting? Should the school have warned us that the teacher was going to do this? Do you think I should make a complaint to the school?

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Elfytigga · 02/12/2009 13:49

st s/he doesn't have the right for those views to go unchallenged - nobody does. You post it, it's opened to being challenged.

As for St Paul, he really shouldn't have spent a year with the Corinthians with his mindset.

StillWaitingTiggaxx

mathanxiety · 02/12/2009 16:26

Nothing wrong with a good honest challenge, Tigga, but some posters here have been called homophobes or weirdos or other names. The blanket 'either you're with us or against us' approach is not really fair. Are lesbians some sort of sacred cow? If you can't disagree with the judgement of a teacher without being accused of homophobia, reasonable discussion becomes difficult.

Scaryteacher makes some very good points here.

hester · 02/12/2009 21:03

'Are lesbians some sort of sacred cow?'

Seriously, though, I'm generally all in favour of keeping debate reasoned and gentle, and for understanding other people's pov. And I have not resorted to name-abusing or abuse on this (or any other) thread.

But surely we have to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate povs? Which, for me, is probably about the line you cross when your opinion is about disparaging and condemning a whole section of society for no reason other than unpleasant prejudice.

So, scaryteacher is rightwing, and I'm an old lefty, and I expect we would have a vigorous debate about our political differences, without losing sight of each other as people or our own civility and honour.

But if someone disagrees with lesbians just because they are lesbians, that is contributing very directly to the hosility and unfairness that I, my friends and my children have to deal with as a daily reality. Do I have to respect somebody who 'disagrees with lesbians'? No, I don't think so. As a tactic, I would usually choose to continue acting respectfully, but I think they have lost the right to my respect.

And in the OP's example, let's remember that the OP and the teacher's lack of agreement isn't just one of those, "You like Gordon, I like Cameron, we'll just have to agree to disagree" conversations. The OP thinks that her OPINION should be sufficient to censor the teacher from doing what most other teachers take for granted - the ability to mention that she is married (not talk about her sex life, not reveal intimate details about her relationship, just acknowledge her marriage).

So, to martha, I'd reply: are lesbians a sacred cow? Are black people a sacred cow? Are people with disabilities a sacred cow? Well no, none of them, but most people quite rightly recognise and react when a controversial opinion strays over the line into something that should be condemned, not legitimised. I think it's fair enough to come onto MN and start a thread about immigration policy; it's not ok to start a thread saying, "My dd has a black teacher and I'm not happy about it". I would think it fine if someone started a thread challenging the concept of civil partnerships, but I don't think I need to respect it when someone simply says, "Gay people don't have the right to exist in public space, because I'd rather pretend to my children they don't exist". No, no, no, I don't respect that.

cory · 03/12/2009 08:24

well put Hester.

Noone is defending this teacher's right to reveal the intimacies of the bedchamber. But as long as the knowledge of weddings and people being married is not censored per se (teachers still referred to as Mrs X if they so wish- which many do), then it does seem odd that only certain teachers should have to pretend that their marriages do not exist.

daftpunk · 03/12/2009 09:36

Hester;

i've never said gay people don't have the right to exist.....

what i have said is that homosexuality is not something i agree with and wouldn't want my children exposed to it at the age of 9.

i don't know why some people think that neeeds "challenging"....why does it..?

i don't have to agree with it...

i have no agenda, i'm not trying to change the lesbians on here into hetrosexuals....their life, their choice.

badietbuddy · 03/12/2009 09:42

But dp what do you mean by 'exposed to'?? In effect you are trying to pretend they don't exist, and I don't understand that at all.

badietbuddy · 03/12/2009 09:46

I should add, my dd is 5. There are things I don't want her exposed to either, war and violence beign the top ones I guess, which is why I don't put the news on while she's awake, because I can see that that would disturb her. I just can't see that anyone could think the same about a gay relationship.

slug · 03/12/2009 09:48

It's this idea "I don't agree with homosexuality" that I can't get my head around daftpunk.

It's not something you can change, it's part of who you are. If you said:
"I don't agree with black people/ginger hair/amputees/blue eyes etc" You would be rightly pulled up for being bigoted. How can you 'agree' or not 'agree' with something that is an intrinsic part of a person? It's a ludicrious position to take.

And like it or not daftpunk, your children have been exposed to homosexuality already. They will have homosexual teachers, bus drivers, friends, (gasp) some of their friends parents may wll be homosexual. But in the same way that you don't necessarily see it as important to broadcast the fact thatyou like having your nipples tweaked during sex (or some other behaviour) you'll find most of them won't feel the need to wear a "I'm Gay, keep your children away from me" TShirt every time they are around someone wilfully narrowminded enough to think that it is possible to agree or disagree with their sexual preferences.

Nobody's asking you to 'agree' with homosexuality daftpunk. That phrase is nonsensical.

noddyholder · 03/12/2009 09:56

Well said slug And the 'exposed' to it comment sounds like a bloody virus you can catch How insulting.

daftpunk · 03/12/2009 10:12

noddyholder;

you do nothing but insult every word i say....no one else does that. i can only assume that your self esteem is so low you get something out of insulting me... must make you feel better about yourself in someway..?

i think you play up to the crowd by insulting me....you know i can handle it...i just feel embarrased for you really...

maybe you need to talk to more people RL....because i think you are becoming slightly obsessed with me....god knows i try and ignore you.....but you just refuse to get off my back.

noddyholder · 03/12/2009 10:14

That is not an insult it is a comment now get over yourself I have a really full life but tbh have never met anyone as bigoted as you and am quite fascinated

noddyholder · 03/12/2009 10:16

BTW if you read back to what others have said I have said little in comparison That last sentence (which you considered an insult) was nothing in comparison to what you say everyday.

OrmIrian · 03/12/2009 10:18

I think there is a time and a place

And no-one should be having sex in the classroom - homosexual or not

BTW I am sure this has got a bit heated but haven't read it. So there.

cory · 03/12/2009 10:34

agree that 'exposed to' as if it was some kind of virus is offensive

what if Hester didn't want her children exposed to heterosexuality (not that, I am sure, Hester would take such a bigoted line)- would anyone pay a blind bit of attention?

what if some of the more narrow parents didn't want their children 'exposed' to black teachers, or disabled teachers or anything else out of the comfort zone? How far should a school pander to the sensitivities of individual parents?

scarletlilybug · 03/12/2009 11:03

"How can you 'agree' or not 'agree' with something that is an intrinsic part of a person?"

I don't think the "part of a person" argument stands up. There are lots of traits that can be "part of someone'e identity". That doesn't necessarily make them "okay".

What about paedophilia? Or bestiality? (Let's make it absolutely clear here that I am not equating homosexuality with paedophilia.) But paedophilia may well be an intrinsic part of someone's being, and a form of sexual desire not consciously chosen. Yet who would "agree" with it?

daftpunk · 03/12/2009 11:07

cory;

it's difficult for me to explain....

i can see how people can love someone of the same sex, i'm sure i could love another woman for her personality and how she makes me feel.....but that love would never make me want to have sex with her..loving someone of the same sex doesn't mean i'm a lesbian.

to me, homosexuality is about sex.....100%.

i said it before, you can't help being black or disabled....you don't have to be homosexual...it's a choice you make.

i'm pretty sure most homosexuals could live just as happily in hetro relationships.

when i said i didn't want my 9 yr old "exposed" to homosexuality...that wasn't meant as an insult...he is too young to understand about normal relationships let alone gay ones....give him a bloody chance.

badietbuddy · 03/12/2009 11:09

to both of the below

badietbuddy · 03/12/2009 11:11

i'm pretty sure most homosexuals could live just as happily in hetro relationships.

Really DP? I mean, really?? You have no bloody clue. YOu are essentially saying that you could have a homosexual relationship, despite that not being who you are. Can you really not see the difference?

As for 'give him a bloody chance', I bloody well wish you would DP I feel more sorry for your family than I can express

OrmIrian · 03/12/2009 11:13

But DP why should they? Even if your assertion is true?

daftpunk · 03/12/2009 11:14

if i loved a woman that wouldn't mean i was in a homosexual relationship...i would have to have sex with her..

badietbuddy · 03/12/2009 11:15

You are ridiculous. And have some serious issues about sex.

Watchtheworldcomealivetonight · 03/12/2009 11:21

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slug · 03/12/2009 11:25

Ahh, I've worked out what your issue is

"to me, homosexuality is about sex.....100%."

That's where you are going wrong daftpunk. It's not all about sex, except perhaps in your head.

What about nuns and priests? Can you be a hetrosexual nun, or a homosexual one, if homosexuality is, in your words, "about sex.....100%."?

If you'd ever bothered to talk to a gay person rather than running away and hiding in case you were infected by the gay virus, you might find out that theres a lot more to life than sex. I really wonder about your love=sex obsession. It's not an uncommon attitude in people who were abused as children.

Vivia · 03/12/2009 11:27

DP, homosexuality is not 100% about sex and nor is heterosexuality. We are talking about love and relationships here. Is your heterosexual relationship all about sex? Are you choosing to be heterosexual? This is not about homosexuality. It is about your hugely disturbed perception of intimate relations and relationships. Your DD is not be 'exposed' to anything by her teacher: she is being exposed to insecurity, bigotry, and a worrying complex about relationships and love NOT just sex by YOU.

Watchtheworldcomealivetonight · 03/12/2009 11:45

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