Play date with mum who agrees with education tax

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Please let me know if I’m overreacting. I recently overheard a new mum at school talking about a local private school closing down due to the education tax and how this is somehow a good thing. She’s now invited my DD for a play date, would you accept?

I’m so confused!! I’m going to have a lie down

This sounds very much like AI.

You asked if you were overreacting - yes you are.

I speak from experience that you don't need to match policy analysis with your children's friends parents. It's fine to have different views as long as the children get along together and the parent will act kindly towards them in your absence.

Yup - and deliberately obtuse.

I’m not sure why you posted OP, apart from to start yet another thread about vat of school fees. You clearly already made your mind up.

I thought this. And it also rehashes the idea of people making sacrifices and being able to afford private school as a result. The vast majority of families couldn’t afford it however many sacrifices they made - unless they included giving up food and shelter for everyone else, I suppose…

The examples of school children from countries at war with each other yet who manage to behave with civility to each other are something to ponder when you lie down OP.

Also do think about the results of your poll.

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Omg. The threshold is £21k!! It’s so low that almost everyone has to, after that it’s 9% and if you’re a relatively low earner it can massively eat into your living standards and ability to make other savings.

If you’re a higher earner it is much less as a ppn of your income and thf cheaper. So I’d argue it is dependent on how rich you are as to whether you think it’s the right thing for you or not!

Amazing. I didn’t think the OP could’ve made herself sound more like a bigger arse than in her original post, and yet here we are.

We used to attract a lot of international school students here but we are starting to lose out to competition abroad and then they don’t stay on to university or want to work here. I think we are take our global position for granted. Other countries don’t so much.

We are also losing thousands of high achieving students to foreign universities because of quotas on deprivation, postcodes, schooling etc.

people who will become the entrepreneurs and employers and thinkers of the future. All heading off at the start of their career to a country that wants them rather than one where they’re derided for growing up in Richmond and not Rotherham. Meanwhile we’ll be churning out indoctrinated lemmings who grow up thinking that the best way to create opportunity for themselves is to take it away from others.

Way to go UK education, woohoo! You go fly that flag and wonder why the best brains leave and no one wants to come

I don't understand how the OP and her couple of supporters can't see this.

i don’t agree with loans. But the fact remains they don’t have to be repaid if you don’t earn enough. Suggesting that massively puts off working class students - far more than the loans themselves do.
It’s 9% of whatever is over £21k. It’s essentially a graduate tax. I benefitted from not having it, my daughter pays it. I get it.

None of those are exactly high flying careers. I was privately educated and I don’t know a single person who teaches at secondary level (I know a few career academics) or works in sales. Our parents would have been quite bitterly disappointed with those career choices.

This is not to say that there’s anything wrong with them, but some people would consider a peer group where those sorts of careers are seen as acceptable (or even aspirational) to be a misfortune.

Perhaps the entrepreneurs, employers and thinkers of the future could come from Rotherham?

Depends on the tax level you are on - dd graduates in July - she can earn near to £28k before paying it back - the 9% is only taken from any earnings over that - initially it could be £5 a month

Are you going to question all your daughter's friends parents on their political views before she can play with them?

That was going to be my post!

My own kids had school friends from all kinds of backgrounds, and I'm pretty certain that all of us parents will have had quite different political views and opinions. But it's not something I gave any thought to. I doubt that my kids were subjected to any political rants when they were primary school age and playing at their friends' houses.

By the time they were teens, and more likely to be aware of friends' parents' opinions, they'd just come home and tell me that 'Jane's dad's got some weird ideas'.

Our kids were brought up with our values, and I trusted them as teenagers, to know bigotry etc when they came across it.

No. Education is available for every child at no cost to the parents.

Oh ffs what a horrible, snobby, self important attitude!
How would your impressively careered friends have go5 there without secondary school teachers?
Words fail me for parents who would be ‘bitterly disappointed’ if their children became teachers, quantity surveyors or who worked (the horror) in sales.

Because its wrong?
Many many Private schools are NOT charities and whether they are or not has nothing to do with the application of VAT.
Private schools who were not charities did not charge VAT and now they do
No loophole involved.
There was no VAT on Private education and now there is

Thank you, @cardibach! I am proud of all three of my sons - they all have good degrees, and are hard workers who are contributing to society. They are happy, well adjusted, have good friends, each have a partner who loves them and whom they love - they are roaring successes, in my book!

I thought we were full to the brim and overrun with immigration (most of which is on a visa)? Now it seems we are so horrible nobody wants to live here.
Your premise about ‘indoctrinated lemmings who grow up thinking that the best way to create opportunity for themselves is to take it away from others’ is nonsense too. If teachers could indoctrinate, we would start with indoctrinating to bring a pen/do some homework/be polite. The second part is ironic in the extreme from someone who is happy to buy opportunities for themselves which others can’t.

Bingo! It was only a matter of time that a supporter of the policy showed that they don’t understand the very basics. The VAT situation has absolutely nothing to do with charitable status. They are two entirely separate issues. The charitable status of some schools (some never had charitable status) hasn’t changed. It wasn’t a loophole. It was a specific exemption in the legislation which has now been removed.