Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 6

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Continuation of previous threads to discuss VAT on independent school fees.

Labour already do this ie collect tax under the pledge it’ll be used for something. Did you see the VAT would be used for 6,500 extra teachers?

Like that but get it from wealthy state school users instead. People seem keen on here and have the funds so why not

Is this your newly invented fees-tax(fees), where people can choose to pay directly for a service?

That wasn’t a binding pledge, that was like the comments on the side of a bus.

Then do the same. Just switch the payer.

No need to - the majority of voters like it this way round.

Actually, this kind of means-tested state-education tax would pretty similar to having student fees paid with a loan and the repayments linked to later earnings. I know student loan repayments aren't strictly a tax, but it does behave the same way.

I'm fairly appalled at the idea of charging - even through a means-tested tax - for compulsory age education. But proponents of this policy are doing exactly that to us - not just hypothetically - so this is just a taste of their own medicine.

And then all these people who say they would gladly pay more tax for better education whilst actually just demanding that other people do could do just that.

So no reasons, and you tried many!

It comes down to I don’t want to pay others should, which is what I said at the start.

Not that socially minded just wanting tax for others.

They could do just that in many other ways that don’t inevitably result in those who are paying more in education taxes insisting that they get more rights than other voters to decide what state education should look like - ie effectively turning state education into private education (complete with all those academies already set up… almost like it was planned).

There’s no point pretending it’s just spite that makes some people more communally minded and others more intensely individualistic.

No idea what this is referring to but if you want to pay more and use state, plus can afford it you can be more community minded. That’s what I’m suggesting.

Or communally if you want that too.

Tax on a private service that adds value - recognised concept, just somewhat controversial when the service is education, but that’s been dealt with in a court case. Tax on a service paid for out of tax - a bit weird.

Tax on a private service that adds value - recognised concept, just somewhat controversial when the service is education, but that’s been dealt with in a court case. Tax on a service paid for out of tax - a bit weird.

Or people post a lot about others paying and how important it is but even if they have the funds won’t want to. No chance by the sounds of it.

Funnily enough, this already happens. If your children are forced into the state sector, you will see there is already a nice little line going in voluntary parental donations… all VAT free, of course.

Ok great so extend that out and you’ve got a good earner.

My dc are in state they won’t be forced anywhere. It’s still a woeful policy from Labour.

And those who claim to be communally minded are asking others to pay not offering it instead.

Those who are communally minded accept democracy, even when they don’t agree with it.

More than weird. Totally crazy. This thread gets ever more fanciful. Is it the outcome of the courts blocking off options so thinking has to get ever more magical?

Did you ever post criticism of the last gov when they were in? I’m guessing not going by your post.

And if someone else gets in at next GE you’ll say nowt.

It’s interesting to see how strongly people are against but for others paying.

Especially when they’ve posted re wealth.

Just wondering how socially minded people really are…

Or just posting they definitely are.

Sometimes it's being communally minded, and sometimes it's just spite.

Communally minded also doesn't always result in the best outcome for the community. Communism is proof of that.

Nothing to do with the court case incidentally.

On all these threads pro VAT have never offered to pay.

I'm fine to pay a higher level of income tax along with everyone else in my tax band despite the fact I pay an awful lot already. I would not be happy with any specific taxes being levied on state education in principle. There is a clue in the label.

There are different flavours of being community minded. It doesn't have to be the extreme of communism.

That old chestnut, why don't people volunteer to pay more taxes on an individual basis? Not gonna happen and naive in the extreme to think it will. People will pay the taxes that are imposed on them. That's how it works.