Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 6

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Continuation of previous threads to discuss VAT on independent school fees.

No just a tax for some. Everyone still gets access to the service.

Same as income tax really. Some pay more, others pay none but get the service.

I haven’t seen many posting they’re up for paying.

No need - the taxpayer funds state education. If you want private education, you pay VAT, which will fund all sorts of things - mostly not state education, imvho.

It might pay for a few missiles, though.

They do and there could be an extra charge for high earners instead of this extra tax. Why not?

Everyone still has access to state whether they reach the threshold or not.

Posters on here seem keen already, just keen that they don’t pay it others do.

Fairly obviously because when people pay directly for something, they then demand more of a say, which goes against democratic principles. Everyone’s vote is equal in a democratic society.

People do pay more already. We have an income tax system. Everyone has a vote with this in place. It doesn’t undermine the democratic process.

Interesting to see how much extra payment is opposed when threads run on people asking for others to.

Especially those who can afford it.

But higher taxpayers do not get to direct where their tax money goes. It’s really not difficult to understand the difference between the two things - the difference is why some people pay private school fees.

Just pay an extra charge and the gov can allocate.

You’re right it’s not difficult to understand. The stuff about votes etc is out of scope.

ETA non private users pay all levels of different taxes, this is another one.

What does “just pay an extra charge and the gov can allocate” mean?…

The stuff about votes is not out of scope. It’s because of the voting system that we have a Labour government and VAT on school fees.

The stuff about votes is not out of scope. It’s because of the voting system that we have a Labour government and VAT on school fees.

A tax for some and not others is not anti democratic is it?

It happens all the time already.

The push back on actually paying is something though for a thread where some are committed to others paying.

Name another tax, other than VAT that all users have to pay, not just the wealthier ones, that is actually just a payment for a specific service, just for the duration of the use of the service. You’re talking about fees, not tax.

So you think education should only be provided to those whose parents can afford to pay for it?

You mentioned VAT so there you go why doesn’t that count?

I pay a tax when I have a car or fill up with petrol. Or if someone buys cigarettes.

And why all people I said those that meet the threshold.

And no it’s a tax linked to income levels or wealth reallocated for everyone to benefit in the state sector. I mean the only difference is the people paying are using the service, and going by the pushback they really don’t want to.

Are you also in favour of VAT on private healthcare? I think k this is a good next step - will probably bring in more money as well 😀

Because everyone has to pay VAT, and as you are aware, many people cannot afford to pay VAT on state education, so it’s not VAT if only those who can afford it, pay it.

I’m sure poor people would love to be exempt from VAT on every good and service that they buy.

I said a threshold if you look back. And you said VAT I said a tax for those who can afford it using the service.

Well, now we’re out of the EU… 🤣

And if you look back, I said that’s fees, not tax.

Let's see how much the education tax brings in first...

It’s not. It’s just an extra tax. It goes to the gov who allocates.

Like they do with other taxes.

Not like other taxes. The government collects tax into a big pot, it doesn’t actually collect tax for specific things and only use that tax money for those things. However, it would have to if people were paying for a specific service that others had opted out of. Even National Insurance is spent god-knows-where. If people can opt out of paying towards education, you’ll soon find people demanding to opt out of pretty much everything else, claiming they want to live off-grid and don’t believe in society…