Whitehall “braced for private schools collapse” 6

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Continuation of previous threads to discuss VAT on independent school fees.

most of them would come out thinking VAT should be at least 50% or that private schools should be abolished altogether

Not spiteful at all. No.

You certainly get no moral high ground with personal attacks like that…

And I disagree that Labour’s policy is vindictive, spiteful, malicious and all the things you have said. Is it a bad policy? Ideologically it’s fine and in line with labour values on private education and labour have a large majority for their manifesto; monetarily it’s unlikely to raise as much as forecast, but that’s the way with practically every tax change, no? But attributing the emotions you do is a nonsense.

Hun, that’s an indictment of your posting style, not the policy….

As I said, some of us don’t vote for either party as we can see that both are crap. Hopefully you don’t vote for either party as well 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What’s the point if not to raise funds for the state sector?

If it fails to do that why do it at all?

That's not a comment on the policy or it's impacts. It's a comment on the quality of argument and crank-bubble that you've cultivated here. You're about the biggest advert for a VAT hike that anyone could wish for, and you're mistaking "spite" with "ridicule".

@tortoise18I thought your last post said you’d paid more tax than private school parents? In many cases that’s a lot. Meaning high income.

Did you mean something else?

No, I didn’t vote for either of them.🤣

Taxing education is an outlier position. The U.K. is almost alone on this due to Labour.

To repeat as you may have missed this in a multi-sentence post:

Ideologically it’s fine and in line with labour values on private education and labour have a large majority for their manifesto; monetarily it’s unlikely to raise as much as forecast, but that’s the way with practically every tax change, no?

I shan’t respond to you again, as we will again go round in circles.

The poster seemed to be asking me personally to make up the entire shortfall if all private school parents stopped paying tax. I'm afraid I don't stretch to that.

As for the policies: the school fields one was misguided (in my opinion) but it did actually raise money for the state, which did actually help schools. The intent was to improve things through new capital projecrs (at a lower cost than other ideas)

Whereas the private school VAT one will cost the state money. Nothing of value will be built or made available. The intent is to harm kids. Because Labour think that harming our kids will - purely as a result of that harm, not any money raised - lift up their in-group 'our kids' in comparison.

That's the difference. It's not hard. And it's very, very obvious.

No just offer up extra tax. There seem to be some wealthy state users here who are very keen others pay.

I’m yet to see any post that they’d be happy to take an extra tax instead. Why not?

The sale of school playing fields didn’t benefit the kids at state or private schools, then or now. Those playing fields sales would have benefited local authorities who needed funding from central government and didn’t get it.

I’m a Labour voter and I would be relieved if there was any clear line between the two major parties to be pointed to here but the same issue that was happening under the Tories is now happening under Labour.

Labour are not now pumping loads of cash into state schools which is desperately needed after 14 years of underinvestment. Labour haven’t and absolutely won’t reverse the savage cuts of Cameron and Osborne’s austerity programme that took away about 1/3 of central government money going to local authorities, closed down SureStart and depleted SEND services and support.

So frankly a plague on both the Tories and Labour for letting down kids at state and private schools for at least the past almost 20 years and continuing to plough ahead with this into the future.

Private schools especially the small non selective local ones have been taking off a little bit of the pressure on state schools for long years now; and it’s going to be noticeable and a lot more expensive for state schools and local authorities. once the private schools are no longer in existence to do that.

Nobody could be so misguided as to think that schools without playing fields were going to improve anything. It was short-term profiteering at the expense of generations to come.

I would be happy for higher rate tax to be higher, yes.

There could be a charge on high earning state users instead of this policy.

At least it links those who can pay and actually use the service.

Exactly. It's not hard. And it's very, very obvious.

I disagree VAT will be short-lived. I recall a Brexit argument that we could get rid of VAT or reduce it if outside the EU. Well we all know hos that panned out….

Can you tell me any other VAT-able good where if you choose not to buy it, the state buys you a cheaper - but still very expensive - alternative instead?

No? Wonder why...

Ah yes, of course - privatise the state sector. 😉

Are you trying to encourage VAT on private medical care, next, then? I’d keep quiet if I were you. 🤣

That’s not privatising the state sector. Everyone has access there’s just some who pay a tax.

It’s those who keep asking for others to pay, and posting they earn a lot offering the tax instead.

Not a tax - fees for a specific service.

Admittedly a more generous bursary system. 😉